Next Move?

bravesfanMatt said:
true that.. but not having a good BP can allow you to watch the Muts sweep you in September at home and completely miss the playoffs when you were supposed to be WS champs..
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I was harping all second half about our AAAA (I'm being generous) bullpen and how a bad bullpen can sap the life out of a team, but I think there is a difference between the horrid bullpen we had during the second half and overpaying for a guy like O'Day. I like the moves we've made thus far in the off-season to strengthen the pen, but I think O'Day wouldn't come close to putting us in a position to contend so why make the investment.
 
50PoundHead said:
I was harping all second half about our AAAA (I'm being generous) bullpen and how a bad bullpen can sap the life out of a team, but I think there is a difference between the horrid bullpen we had during the second half and overpaying for a guy like O'Day. I like the moves we've made thus far in the off-season to strengthen the pen, but I think O'Day wouldn't come close to putting us in a position to contend so why make the investment.
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I have said this.. I see no reason to invest in O'day.. he isn't going to help this team and is another indicator that the team is a bit disjointed when it comes to the rebuild... that being said, I have no issue if we drive the price up on the Gnats so it hurts them in the long run. O'day will not fix that mess over there..and spending 9-10 million for a RP would be nice to see.. Maybe Paps will choke out O'day because he makes more than him.
 
50PoundHead said:
I was harping all second half about our AAAA (I'm being generous) bullpen and how a bad bullpen can sap the life out of a team, but I think there is a difference between the horrid bullpen we had during the second half and overpaying for a guy like O'Day. I like the moves we've made thus far in the off-season to strengthen the pen, but I think O'Day wouldn't come close to putting us in a position to contend so why make the investment.
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Because it shows people we're tires of hearing about not contending.
 
Hawk said:
Mark Bowman
@mlbbowman
The #Braves have shown some interest in catcher Tyler Flowers, who was non-tendered by the White Sox.

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I'd be very happy with this.
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he would be very good for our pitchers.. no doubt. The Braves just need to do some spring cleaning to open so roster spots.. I wonder if they can trade Swisher for something if they agree to pay his salary.
 
Hawk said:
Mark Bowman
@mlbbowman
The #Braves have shown some interest in catcher Tyler Flowers, who was non-tendered by the White Sox.

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I'd be very happy with this.
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This would make a lot of sense. I'm one who thinks CB is going to be gone soon.
 
I continue to expect CB to get traded . . . and for a very paltry return. Flowers is now best FA option for us. Would be nice to have a good pitch framer, for once.
 
Flowers? Yes please. O'Day is interesting. I like him but doesn't that go against our plan? Either we are stupid or we have many more plans.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features...conger-a-catcher-who-cant-throw/?ex_cid=538fb
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Pitch framing is a big, big deal.

More importantly, though, the Rays seem to be banking on one of this decade’s central catcher-defense discoveries: Throwing just doesn’t matter that much, relative to other aspects of the position that Conger can handle. Baseball Prospectus recently revamped its fielding stats for catchers to account for the pitchers they work with and the runners they face. Research suggests that pitchers are far more responsible for base-stealing behavior than their battery mates, so in theory, the spread in catcher throwing runs should be small. That’s exactly what BP’s numbers reveal: The range between the best- and worst-throwing catcher in 2015 was only 6.3 runs, slightly smaller than the range in blocking runs (6.9), and a fraction of the range in framing runs (44.2).
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It's interesting, though, that the White Sox dropped Flowers in favor of Dioner Navarro, who is one of the worst pitch framers in the game.
 
dak said:
I continue to expect CB to get traded . . . and for a very paltry return. Flowers is now best FA option for us. Would be nice to have a good pitch framer, for once.
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That wouldn't surprise me at all. He appears to be in the doghouse. Flowers and AJ would be a decent platoon. We need to scour the high minors for some depth. I think J.C. Boscan is probably ready to hang them up.
 
I agree in grabbing Flowers. In fact, I brought it up yesterday the second he became a FA.

No point in trading CB just to be rid of him though. He can easily stay down in AAA and work on defense.

I don't know a thing about how to frame pitches or block balls, but it seems like those are skills that can be learned. A 1.8s pop time and 86 MPH laser to 2B can't be taught.
 
I wouldnt be against ODay but if they spent some money, i'd rather get a bat.

But a Simmons, Grilli, Viz, ODay, JJ is pretty formideable.
 
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