Official 2017 Trade Deadilne Thread

Preacher said:
I don't think anyone is overstating it; I mentioned names like Akeel Morris and Travis Demerritte, who frankly were acquired for less than Jaime Garcia or Brandon Phillips.

Neither is really sexy, but TD was a toolsy INF with power/speed/defense that was/is a worthwhile risk and Akeel Morris is a good bullpen/potential arm with two above average pitches and years of control. I think you could do better than that for Garcia, why wouldn't you?
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Have the Jaime for Profar rumors died? I think Profar would be a great return for him.
 
My stance has not changed much, but it HAS changed based on the Braves recent good play...

The Braves have transitioned from being surefire sellers, to being a wait and see team on the bubble. That bubble might pop in a week, but the bubble is there right now nonetheless.

Obviously, if the Braves go 14-0 for the rest of July, they should not sell anyone. If they go 0-14, they should dump everyone with less than 1 year of control remaining.

The interesting discussion occurs if the Braves go 9-5 and have a 54-50 record at the deadline. If the Rockies go 5-7 and have a 58-48 record. Suddenly, the Braves are 3 games back after just going through the hardest portion of their schedule. The Braves will meet the Rockies 7 times in August.

That's all conjecture of course, but how high would the Braves need to increase their playoff odds before it's obvious they need to stand pat at the deadline? 10%? 15%? 20%?

My contention is that if the Braves can get their playoff odds to 10% or higher by the end of July, they should not sell.
 
nsacpi said:
5% playoff odds sounds about right. To make the playoffs we will need luck in various forms. In particular, one of the Diamondbacks or Rockies or both need to implode.
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And considering both have questionable pitching staffs in hitter-friendly ballparks it's not like seeing both collapse suddenly is out of the question by any stretch of the imagination.
 
clvclv said:
And considering both have questionable pitching staffs in hitter-friendly ballparks it's not like seeing both collapse suddenly is out of the question by any stretch of the imagination.
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And they also play against each other 7 times in September. Best case scenario for the Braves is that they just beat each other those 7 games.
 
Preacher said:
I don't think anyone is overstating it; I mentioned names like Akeel Morris and Travis Demerritte, who frankly were acquired for less than Jaime Garcia or Brandon Phillips.

Neither is really sexy, but TD was a toolsy INF with power/speed/defense that was/is a worthwhile risk and Akeel Morris is a good bullpen/potential arm with two above average pitches and years of control. I think you could do better than that for Garcia, why wouldn't you?
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I have no problem doing that. We should. Garcia is not a big part of the team's psyche as Phillips is. I suspect, however, that any trade of Garcia is going to be accompanied by our trading for another starting pitcher.
 
Trade Garcia for Profar.

Trade pitchers not named Allard, Soroka, or Wright for Gray.

Win a WC spot.

Seems pretty simple!
 
Enscheff said:
Trade Garcia for Profar.

Trade pitchers not named Allard, Soroka, or Wright for Gray.

Win a WC spot.

Seems pretty simple!
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I would certainly include Gohara and probably Anderson in that list of pitchers I don't want to give up.

Obviously it gets hard to get Gray without trading one of the top few hitters or any of those pitchers, but if it can't be done for that, then don't do it. Gray is a good pitcher...he's not a great one.
 
Preacher said:
I mean this is a .500 team with a run differential of -30ish, pythag has us at 42-48 and that's after playing a really easy schedule.

Yes we are playing better right now, but I hope the FO doesn't lose sight of the bigger picture here. This is still a pretty flawed team that has a couple valuable pieces that will be gone next year. Trade them for something that can help the team when we might actually be winning something meaningful.
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But how much of that can be attributed to Bartolo "the Sucking Vortex of Doom" Colon?
 
You can trade Jamie and be ok. Plenty of options to replace him, though I understand that's easier said than donever

But out of Sims, Wisler, Blair, Medley, etc, surely someone can step up.
 
Carp said:
You can trade Jamie and be ok. Plenty of options to replace him, though I understand that's easier said than donever
But out of Sims, Wisler, Blair, Medley, etc, surely someone can step up.
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Well, we don't want to overstate our starting pitching depth. Someone in the major league rotation could get hurt. Newcomb could continue to struggle. I wouldn't make the assumption that trading Garcia is without consequence.

That's part of the reason that I think any trade involving him will be offset by a trade for a major league starting pitcher.
 
Another thing to consider is that the Braves are probably near their max payroll. Acquiring a long term asset may require coordinating moves.
 
smootness said:
I would certainly include Gohara and probably Anderson in that list of pitchers I don't want to give up.

Obviously it gets hard to get Gray without trading one of the top few hitters or any of those pitchers, but if it can't be done for that, then don't do it. Gray is a good pitcher...he's not a great one.
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What do you think the chances are any of the current pitching prospects produces than gray will?

Keep in mind over 50% of Top 100 pitching prospects don't even produce anything at the MLB level.
 
Enscheff said:
What do you think the chances are any of the current pitching prospects produces than gray will?

Keep in mind over 50% of Top 100 pitching prospects don't even produce anything at the MLB level.
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Yeah, which is why I want to keep as many of them as possible.

Gray is good, and I'd like to have him, but let's say we include both Gohara and Anderson to get him. I feel better about one of those two producing more over 6+ years than Gray over 3.5.

You can disagree, but that's where I stand. I think both pitchers have the talent to end up as top 20-25 prospects.
 
smootness said:
Yeah, which is why I want to keep as many of them as possible.

Gray is good, and I'd like to have him, but let's say we include both Gohara and Anderson to get him. I feel better about one of those two producing more over 6+ years than Gray over 3.5.

You can disagree, but that's where I stand. I think both pitchers have the talent to end up as top 20-25 prospects.
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The "pitching prospects are risky, lets stock up on them" notion is comically poor logic. Seems pervasive in Braves country though haha.
 
I'd rather just keep BP and call up Ozzie in September and let him get his feet wet.

I doubt anyone is trading anything useful for BP.

If Garcia has a couple more dominant starts, a team could overpay for him at the deadline.
 
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