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bravesnumberone said:
Why would he not agree? The money is coming one way or the other. And the amount of deferral won't be nearly as high in other cases.
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Because money now is better than money later. Also, Ohtani probably gets another 40-50 from endorsements, so he can easily afford to put off the majority of that deal. Not many players can do that.
 
Enscheff said:
The CBA also doesn't limit contract length, yet MLB was prepared to veto Judge's 14/400 deal with SD because, "The league’s justification for doing so would’ve been the contract length was an artificial means for the team of working around the competitive balance tax."

That provision is also in the CBA and this is clearly a case they should apply it. This Ohtani deal is much more egregious.
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Well any deferral could then be viewed as a means of avoiding the CBT because the dinosaurs who designed the CBT thought it would be a good idea to use the present value of the contract.

It baseball rejects this contract then they could presumably reject any contract with deferrals on the same grounds.
 
Enscheff said:
It seems pretty clear to me that if 14/400 was deemed by MLB to be too long for Judge, 20/700 certainly better be deemed too long for Ohtani as well.

There is no way to justify vetoing one without vetoing the other.
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Spot on. This is a slap in the face to MLB imo. Every team in baseball ahould be pissed about that deal.
 
chop2chip said:
Well any deferral could then be viewed as a means of avoiding the CBT because the dinosaurs who designed the CBT thought it would be a good idea to use the present value of the contract.

It baseball rejects this contract then they could presumably reject any contract with deferrals on the same grounds.
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OK, I get the slippery slope logical fallacy. "If they reject this they can reject anything" is not what anyone is talking about here.

The point stands. If they were going to reject 14/400 they should reject 20/700. It very clearly intends to circumvent the CBT. Ohtani and the Dodgers are even admitting as much. There is quite literally a clause in the CBA stating MLB has the right to veto such attempts, and they were going to do it to SD and Judge.
 
Enscheff said:
OK, I get the slippery slope logical fallacy. "If they reject this they can reject anything" is not what anyone is talking about here.

The point stands. If they were going to reject 14/400 they should reject 20/700. It very clearly intends to circumvent the CBT. Ohtani and the Dodgers are even admitting as much. There is quite literally a clause in the CBA stating MLB has the right to veto such attempts, and they were going to do it to SD and Judge.
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We agree. I think MLB should reject, but I’m skeptical it wouldn’t hold up in an appeal. I’d love to be wrong because the richest team in baseball just bought the Japanese market for $2m a year (and oh they got a 10 WAR player too).
 
Carp said:
Because money now is better than money later. Also, Ohtani probably gets another 40-50 from endorsements, so he can easily afford to put off the majority of that deal. Not many players can do that.
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I get it. What I'm saying is there wouldn't be a $660 million gap in the money they're taking for the rest of his career vs. what they get in the first 10 years of retirement.
 
chop2chip said:
We agree. I think MLB should reject, but I’m skeptical it wouldn’t hold up in an appeal. I’d love to be wrong because the richest team in baseball just bought the Japanese market for $2m a year (and oh they got a 10 WAR player too).
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Oh I’m also quite confident a rule that would have been applied negatively to the Padres will not actually be applied to the dodgers when they actually attempt the same thing. And the defense will clearly be “we never actually applied it to the padres”. And everyone will conveniently forget that the threat of vetoing the padres contract helped the Yankees resign judge.
 
“It hasn’t been approved by the league- but is expected to”

Still time to stink up the joint about this thing
 
SJ24 said:
Dodgers meeting with Yamamoto later this week.

Gotta figure that will be his destination.
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By my calculation via Sportrac, the Dodgers' luxury tax payroll is now $207 million.

That is $30 million under the first threshold.

They could sign Yamamoto, Snell, and Bellinger and still be under the Cohen Tax.

This is insane.
 
Enscheff said:
MLBTR is claiming the yearly CBT hit is $46 per year.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/shohei-ohtanis-contract-will-defer-68mm-per-year.html

Regardless what the actual value is, this is very clearly an attempt to circumvent the CBT, and MLB said they would shut down such attempts. It's a complete joke if they let this contract go as currently reported.
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Of course MLB won't do anything to hurt one of their biggest franchises. Who remembers just a few years ago the Department of Justice was investigating the Dodgers for things they were doing illegally in the international space, and somehow that got swept under the rug???

https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/10/02/f...ions by the Dodgers,of being tied to “altered
 
bravesnumberone said:
To me, MLB seems to have set it up to where the system can be gamed like this.
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And the Dodgers are a model organization who over the past decade have shown not only do they have a ton of money, but they are smart with it. They will be made out to be villains here, but it seems to me they found essentially a loophole in the rules and played it to their advantage. MLB is the real joke here.
 
sturg33 said:
It's also likely the Dodgers never would have sniffed the $700 million number without this... the CBT value is more in line with what people are expecting.

But still... only taking $2M per year for the next 10 years is going to cost him a fortune just from inflation alone
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This is a valid point as well. I doubt anyone was offering even close to $700 million, but because he agreed to the contract this way, they upped the total value.
 
Braves are paying almost all of Stassi’s contract, and with the CBT penalty comes to almost $9M.

Looks like included cash in a trade course towards the cap after all.
 
I’m surprised the players union is ok with him deferring so much money interest free. All the Dodgers have to do is invest 30 million per year for 10 years at an 8% return and they have the money to pay the 700 million out over the next 10 years. Im sure the Dodgers can grow the money tax free but Othani will have a hell of a tax bill. lol.

Othani may have taken the dumbest 700 million dollar deal ever.
 
JxnMissFan said:
I’m surprised the players union is ok with him deferring so much money interest free. All the Dodgers have to do is invest 30 million per year for 10 years at an 8% return and they have the money to pay the 700 million out over the next 10 years. Im sure the Dodgers can grow the money tax free but Othani will have a hell of a tax bill. lol.

Othani may have taken the dumbest 700 million dollar deal ever.
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He comes out $100 million ahead on taxes if he doesn't live in California starting in 2034.
 
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