Official CBA Negotiation Thread

I wonder how many checks players have missed to this point. It's my understanding that they're generally paid at the end of every pay period based on the number of games they played. If that's the case then they haven't missed much to date as they wouldn't be getting paid in the offseason anyway. If their contracts pay them based on the calendar year then you'll have had pay checks missed by this point.

I don't think the owners have really missed any revenue at this point.
 
Whelp, if they don't have a deal hammered out by Saturday, we are in all likelihood going to miss games.
 
Yup, they either hammer this out this week, or they shoot themselves in the foot with missed games. Then we get to read about how there was no way to figure this all out in time…after wasting weeks and weeks earlier in the lockout.
 
From Drellich on twitter just now: A Major League Baseball spokesperson said tonight that if a deal is not in place by Feb. 28, regular season games will be canceled. “A deadline is a deadline,” the spokesperson said. Player pay would not be recouped, nor would those games be rescheduled, the spokesperson said.

I guess we will see if deadlines spur action.
 
“Player pay would not be recouped” is the operative phrase here I believe .... at least I am hopeful that knocks some sense into them.
 
Hulavol said:
“Player pay would not be recouped” is the operative phrase here I believe .... at least I am hopeful that knocks some sense into them.
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I do think the longer it goes it favors the owners. They have more money, so they can withstand the hit longer. Not all players are super wealthy
 
msstate7 said:
I do think the longer it goes it favors the owners. They have more money, so they can withstand the hit longer. Not all players are super wealthy
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This is what I’ve been saying too. The owners ain’t worried about losing some games. Not like joe 2nd year dude .... he can’t afford to miss many checks
 
I predict it comes down to the wire and they get it resolved before games are missed. They honestly aren't that far off on a lot of the issues. And I suppose each side is gonna wait each other as long as they can. But neither side wants to miss games.
 
I can't believe there are people defending either side. Millionaires are squabbling with billionaires over how to divide up our money. It's a bad look.

To quote Lord of the Rings, "Side? I'm on nobody's side because nobody is on my side."
 
striker42 said:
I can't believe there are people defending either side. Millionaires are squabbling with billionaires over how to divide up our money. It's a bad look.

To quote Lord of the Rings, "Side? I'm on nobody's side because nobody is on my side."
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For real. I just want baseball, and for me to be able to buy tix and food and beer at game without going to a pay day loan place
 
striker42 said:
I can't believe there are people defending either side. Millionaires are squabbling with billionaires over how to divide up our money. It's a bad look.

To quote Lord of the Rings, "Side? I'm on nobody's side because nobody is on my side."
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Folks are projecting their real life biases onto these negotiations. Simple as that.

If you think Bezos is worth the fortune he has and deserves to have a private NASA, you're probably for the owners. If you think Amazon workers should be paid a living wage, you're probably for the players.

I fall into the "we don't need modern day monarchs" camp.
 
Braves made 568 million last year. Granted it's an outlier year with WS.

Need to get that payroll over 200 million.

Owners are being greedy. They want to keep all of the money and not share with the players. Yes the players are paid well, but it's a really big pie.

If I was in charge I would make some of that pie go to the minors. I think if the players would push for the minor league guys they'd get more sentiment from the public. However, what is public sentiment really worth? Baseball fans will come back to baseball. Casual fans may leave and not come back, but casual fans aren't following negotiations.

The only sympathy I have for the owners is not all of them are that rich. The franchise values are going up, but they only get access to that if they sell or borrow on it. So there are people who need to make money off of this b/c it is the way they get money. But they can make money and pay the players.
 
The ultra rich are able to borrow against assets like stock and baseball teams at rates around 2%. This prevents them from paying any capital gains taxes, allows them to continue to enjoy the appreciation of those assets, and live on or reinvest that cheap borrowed money...all for less than the rate of inflation, literally a win/win/win scenario.

So don't feel too sorry for any team owner. They are all just fine, even without a drop of revenue from games.
 
Enscheff said:
The ultra rich are able to borrow against assets like stock and baseball teams at rates around 2%. This prevents them from paying any capital gains taxes, allows them to continue to enjoy the appreciation of those assets, and live on or reinvest that cheap borrowed money...all for less than the rate of inflation, literally a win/win/win scenario.

So don't feel too sorry for any team owner. They are all just fine, even without a drop of revenue from games.
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This is the first time the MLBPA has ever shown anything other than token concern for the only people in the equation who aren't wealthy...pre-arb players. They focused most of their energies on maximizing top end pay in the past. Good for them for finally figuring it out.
 
I agree with poster above about wishing they would get more money- and a good bit more in fact - to the minor leagues - those players do deserve it in my opinion, and I think it would better steer more younger athletes into baseball in the first place.... just a thought
 
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