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msstate7
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Still good for us. Maybe they lose one of rendon and Strasburg, or at least make them tie so much in those 2 that they can't do much else
salmagundy
Boras' Client
Stras indeed did opt out. Boras is going to try to get a better contract with the Nats for Stras. They have meetings set to begin Sunday. The actual value of his opt out contract is near 88 mil instead of the 100 mil for remaining 4 years. Being from southern Cal, I would think several Cal teams will price Stras out of Nats reach.
Chapman and Yuks agree to extend contract thru 2022.
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Strasburg's going nowhere - he's just looking to tack on an extra year or two and make his initial extension not look so team-friendly. Adjusting some of that deferred money to the present will help with that, and should be pretty simple to do - particularly since they're no longer scrambling to come up with the money for Harper.
They're in another of those situations where they might lose a huge piece (Rendon), but actually become a more complete - and better - team. Sportrac had them at a little over $208.8 million in 2019 salaries. By declining the options they held on Zimmerman and Gomes they saved $25 million. Let's argue that Strasburg's extension will eat up $5 million of that, meaning they've saved $20 million. Rendon and Dozier combined to make $27.8 million in 2019, and they can replace Dozier with Kieboom.
If they're willing to let Zimmerman ride off into the sunset (their version of AA's "what do you do with Julio") and bring back a Kendrick/Adams platoon at 1B for similar money to what they paid them this year, they could arguably be in a position to replace Rendon and Gomes with Donaldson and Grandal.
zbhargrove
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I don't see us going for MadBum if Wheeler can be had for similar money (years may be the big issue here). MadBum outpitched his peripherals last year and isn't the guy he used to be. Most fantasizing for him to come to the Braves still think he's some untouchable ace when the metrics do not agree at all. Wheeler at least still has potential upside. MadBum not so much. With AA analytically driven, I doubt he goes hard after MadBum.
I don't get the love for Puig. Every year he's essentially a 1-2 win player with the exception of his early years and one outlier year which saw 2.9 fWAR. Every year we hear about how we should trade for Puig... and every year he puts up the same underwhelming numbers. Add in the clubhouse issues and its a hard pass for me and an obvious one. There are plenty of options that will be cheaper who are not clubhouse problems and can put up 1-2 fWAR. No thanks.
I don't get the love for Puig. Every year he's essentially a 1-2 win player with the exception of his early years and one outlier year which saw 2.9 fWAR. Every year we hear about how we should trade for Puig... and every year he puts up the same underwhelming numbers. Add in the clubhouse issues and its a hard pass for me and an obvious one. There are plenty of options that will be cheaper who are not clubhouse problems and can put up 1-2 fWAR. No thanks.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Wheeler is strong candidate to get QO also.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
He's the only realistic option I'd sign that may have a QO attached
Edit: I mean pitcher... I'd also sign Grandal as he will prob have one, right?
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Don't think Grandal is eligble for QO. Doubt AA will consider any player with a QO since we are still crippled with international issues.
Pretty similar to the points many have brought up all along over the years when his name has been brought up - and completely justifiable ones IMO.
He has always struck me as one of those incredibly toolsy and exciting players who just can't seem to get out of his own way and put things together for anything other than short stretches. Clubhouse-wise, he seems a lot like the type of guy Pierzynski was - his teammates absolutely love him while everybody in the other dugout (as well as the umpires) absolutely hate him. He was great for the community when he was in Cincinnati, but you didn't hear much about him being that type of guy with the Dodgers or Indians. That's why I mentioned that's a question AA would need to answer - there's no doubt adding him to the clubhouse could blow up in your face, but if he couldn't come in and get along with a group of young players that have as much fun as Acuna, Albies, Camargo, etc. do, he'll probably never fit in anywhere.
The thing about him that is at least a little intriguing in the scenario I mentioned is that you're possibly going to be able to get him on a 2 year deal if the dollars are right (meaning he doesn't really get in the way of Pache or Waters), gives you that RH bat to balance the middle of a lineup if you had Freeman/Grandal/Moose, and making him a complementary piece at least removes some of the personality pressure that tends to follow him. In a lineup like that, he could just be "one of the guys" and go out there and just play. He's a better defender and offers more power and speed than Markakis, and would provide you that piece that Snitker couldn't really screw up if he remains dead-set on trying to alternate L-R-L-R when setting lineups.
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What does that have to do with the international signing penalties? You lose Rule IV picks for signing QO free-agents.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
I just read this morning and Ill go back and see if I can find it again. To my understanding since Braves are not a revenue sharing team if they sign another teams FA with a QO attached they forfeit their second pick in the draft and lose $500,000 international bonus pool money.
JxnMissFan
Gwinnett Bound
I’m almost positive Grandal can not be given a QO. The Dodger gave him one last years. He declined and signed a one year contract with the Brewers. Only multi year deals require a team to forfeit a draft pick.
Bravesfannchar
Arizona Fall Leaguer
You’re correct. Grandal cannot be offered a QO by the Brewers.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Found the item about signing player with a QO.
MLB.com, published this AM under 2020 QO candidates and updates. Very last paragraph.
MLB.com, published this AM under 2020 QO candidates and updates. Very last paragraph.
salmagundy
Boras' Client
From MLBTR
The Padres are in the running for Stras as expected. That's as close to hyis home town as you can get.
With Nationals co-ace and World Series MVP Stephen Strasburg opting out of his contract and preparing to hit free agency, the Padres are gearing up to make a push for the right-hander’s services. According to Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune, “multiple people in the [Padres] organization indicated over the past few days that the team will be in position to make a run at Stephen Strasburg.”
Heyward
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Saw years not money/APY or AAV will be the Nats hardest issue with Stras. He'll be 32, how long will they be willing to go, probably 4, dont know if they'd go up to 5-8 years, maybe 5. With his postseason, he and Boras can pretty much print out any contract they want. Stras would be a bigger loss than Rendon, there's some position players out there, and they have Kieboom in the farm.
They dont really have any replacement for Stras and after Cole, there's a big drop in talent in the SP. I'd guess they pony up for him, but he's gonna get paidddd.
He CAN'T be given a QO - neither can Moustakas.
This has nothing to do with international signings - you lose picks in the June (Rule IV) draft for signing QO free-agents. No one wanted to surrender draft picks for signing Keuchel or Kimbrel last winter on top of paying them big money - that's why they were still out there in June - it had nothing to do with teams' international signing strategies.
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MadduxFanII
Swallowed by Mark Bowman
Acuna and Puig on the same team might cause a whole bunch of old white dude heads to explode, which is a pretty compelling argument for it above and beyond any baseball rationales.
The list of Realistic FA targets for the Braves likely hinges on who gets a QO. Nothing they’ve shown suggests they will be giving up a draft pick for any FA they can likely afford.
Guys like Wheeler and Bumgarner check all the boxes of a guy likely to go the DK route, so I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see either of them join the Braves after the draft. It will be very interesting to see if they price themselves out of an opening day job.
Does anyone actually read the droning run on posts by the usual suspect?
Guys like Wheeler and Bumgarner check all the boxes of a guy likely to go the DK route, so I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see either of them join the Braves after the draft. It will be very interesting to see if they price themselves out of an opening day job.
Does anyone actually read the droning run on posts by the usual suspect?
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