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I'd be a bit wary going after Astros players that are at their peaks. I mean they just got busted for major cheating and Verlander had weird improvement in his mid 30's. There is just something a bit off with that organization right now. Gerrit Cole had similar improvement to Verlander. Will it translate to another team?
 
The Angels have money to spend and they’ll spend it. They need 2 starters at least so I can see them going hard after MadBum too. They’ll probably overpay for Rendon also.
 
Hudson2 said:
The Angels have money to spend and they’ll spend it. They need 2 starters at least so I can see them going hard after MadBum too. They’ll probably overpay for Rendon also.
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Ryu, Bumgarner and Rendon is my guess.

Then all hell breaks loose for Donaldson. Texas, Washington and Atlanta with two of them missing out. Sigh. AA better move quickly.
 
CrimeDog247 said:
What would Maddux get in today’s market coming from the Cubs the first time?
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Well, like in 92-93 offseason, the Yankees were offering him a contract too but he came to Atlanta because he wanted to win.So he'd probably get whatever the Yankees are gonna give Cole, then some.
 
I can’t help but feel Atlanta is going to be on the outside looking in on Donaldson, Rendon and Ozuna, especially with how aggressive teams have been.
 
tululush said:
Probably on par with this. Although you have to wonder if there would be a direct correlation between money and velocity. Maddux was the best, but he was doing it throwing 90 mph. Or maybe Boras sells Maddux as having a safer risk for injury due to less velo? Who knows. But certainly good food for thought.
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Maddux was not throwing 90. Further, he was throwing in the low 90s when the average MLB fastball was at least 5 mph lower than it is today.

This fallacy that Maddux was a soft tosser during his peak is silly, and I’m not sure where it came from.

He hit the market after his age 26 season and just posted 7 WAR. Whatever the SP record contract was at the time, he would have broken it.
 
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Enscheff said:
Maddux was not throwing 90. Further, he was throwing in the low 90s when the average MLB fastball was at least 5 mph lower than it is today.

This fallacy that Maddux was a soft tosser during his peak is silly, and I’m not sure where it came from.

He hit the market after his age 26 season and just posted 7 WAR. Whatever the SP record contract was at the time, he would have broken it.
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Maddux did at the time receive record free agent offers. So as you alluded, presumably his contract would be similar to the record contracts signed by Grienke, Cole, and Strasburg.
 
If Cole got 9/324, i thought it would be from the Angels, thats alot of coin. I'm more interested in seeing how the other dominoes fall now ie: Rendon, JD, Ryu, Bumgarner, Ozuna, and the trade options as well.

Braves need one of Rendon/JD/Ozuna/KB, etc, no ands or ifs about it.
 
I would think Rendon could net 300 million at this point. That would remove the Nats from contention anymore, being that they'd have to offer 350+ million since they like to defer money in deals. I know there we talk about Rendon taking a shorter contract, but a $300 million contract with an opt out accomplishes the same thing.
 
tululush said:
Well this just happened. Damn. This should loosen up the market. Tomorrow should be an interesting day!

My guess is Rendon goes to the Angels now. Especially after they cleared payroll today.

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There goes that other Heyman dude again - sucks that the real one is out of the loop!!!
 
weso1 said:
I'd be a bit wary going after Astros players that are at their peaks. I mean they just got busted for major cheating and Verlander had weird improvement in his mid 30's. There is just something a bit off with that organization right now. Gerrit Cole had similar improvement to Verlander. Will it translate to another team?
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Their improvement has to do with what they learned - not some mysterious injection or pill they took. They had the stuff they have BEFORE they got to Houston, so there's little reason to expect their success to suddenly disappear in a different uniform.

If you need an example, Charlie Morton should be Exhibit A - he had a so-so season in Tampa last year.
 
tululush said:
Ryu, Bumgarner and Rendon is my guess.

Then all hell breaks loose for Donaldson. Texas, Washington and Atlanta with two of them missing out. Sigh. AA better move quickly.
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Probably the best thing that could possibly have happened to Anaheim.

Rendon to Texas. Ryu, Keuchel, and Donaldson to the Angels.

Not sure MadBum's personality will let him go to the Dodgers without them significantly overpaying - he's spent his entire career hating them, and he's still one of us "good ol' southern rednecks" no matter how many years he's spent in San Francisco. Hard to get us to listen without absolutely throwing so much money at us we'll finally have no choice other than to quit hating enemies, and they're probably not going to do that.


The interesting question now becomes "does AA have to get into a bidding war with the Reds and possibly others for Ozuna?". Might be a good idea for AA to scoop Shaw up quickly so the Gnats don't have that fallback option when Theo tells them he wants Kieboom, Garcia, and Rutledge for Bryant.
 
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So the good thing about pitching...we are totally ok if all the other pitchers go for stupid money and we stand pat. Not the best case, but could be way worse off. I think AA had checked in on all starters and saw the price tag and knew Hamels was the best move.

We likely sign Ozuna and go with Riley/Camargo or make a trade for third.

I don’t see us getting JD or Rendon at these prices and still big pocket teams like the Dodgers, Angels and Rangers lurking.
 
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