Olivera

Castro is a bit younger (22). I'd favor letting Jace start off next year as the full-time second baseman. Castro needs a bit more work in AAA. Ultimately, a platoon involving those two might give the team a pretty solid situation at second. Eventually, they may be displaced by Albies.
 
zbhargrove said:
Well, I'm also not trying to say Peterson is going to be one of the "best in the game"... my point is, struggling as a rookie does not mean he cannot be a solid regular from here on out.
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That is true. But in general, most guys who improve after rookie years have rookie years at a pretty young age. Not saying it won't happen, but I don't think too much will change for Peterson. He has a .300 BABIP that's not gonna go up too much. So aside from improving power, BB rate and K rate he doesn't have much room to move from here. I think he improves mind you, I think he'll wlak a bit more and strike out a bit less, but when I said earlier this year he was around a 100 wRC+ I said it was his best he could get, I was scoffed at, but I still stand by that. I don't think he can be better than that short of a out of nowhere powerboost like Joey Bautista, Ben Zobrist, or Carlos Gomez.
 
zbhargrove said:
Okay... but for "all intensive purposes" he was definitely a rookie this year... maybe not by official definition, but definitely by experience.
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Hence my admittance that it was semantics on my part. Although, he struggled cracking that pitiful San Diego lineup last year and, honestly, would not be starting on 25 other teams. So while he may not have accumulated that many plate appearances in his career, he doesn't have the pedigree of someone that warrants the benefit of the doubt. The Jace Peterson types are especially the type that we would be justified in being skeptical in. I would prefer to not wait 1,000 plate appearances to see if he is a building block if there are other reasonable alternatives.
 
Defensively, I think Jace is fine. But it's quite noticeable he hasn't been as good as he was in the beginning of the year when he was making athletic play after athletic play. However, his clunkiness has really eroded a lot of his defensive value. I think he can improve there, but it really changes the narrative on Jace if he simply a good defensive 2B instead of an elite defensive 2B which we all thought at the beginning of the year.
 
The one thing I'm fairly confident of is that Olivera is a second baseman. He looks way smoother at second than he does at third.

Next question is whether Peterson is good enough to keep your prized acquisition from playing his natural position, which ought to smooth his transition to ML, and the answer's gotta be "no." So maybe 3B is the hole to fill with a power bat.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
The one thing I'm fairly confident of is that Olivera is a second baseman. He looks way smoother at second than he does at third.

Next question is whether Peterson is good enough to keep your prized acquisition from playing his natural position, which ought to smooth his transition to ML, and the answer's gotta be "no." So maybe 3B is the hole to fill with a power bat.
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The issue is finding a power bat at 3B we can afford. Look at the FA class, super thin. Aramis, Freese and Uribe are the best, 2 of them are old as dirt. Looking at guuys who you may be able to move to 3B you have Zobrist, Murphy, Asdrubal, and Desmond, none of them are mashers.

Look at the guys who play 3B who mash, Donaldson you can't afford, Arenado could maybe be had for a haul, and I mean a haul. Kiss most of our top 10 goodbye, they have another top prospect in McMahon who should be good, Frazier could have probably been had before this season for a decent price, now, we can kiss a ton of top prospects goodbye. Maybe our best option. Bryant and Machado are obviously going nowhere, that's about it. Justin Turner is maybe the one meh option out there we could get some one for kinda cheap.But his only productive seasons have been the last 2 years.
 
chop2chip said:
Hence my admittance that it was semantics on my part. Although, he struggled cracking that pitiful San Diego lineup last year and, honestly, would not be starting on 25 other teams. So while he may not have accumulated that many plate appearances in his career, he doesn't have the pedigree of someone that warrants the benefit of the doubt. The Jace Peterson types are especially the type that we would be justified in being skeptical in. I would prefer to not wait 1,000 plate appearances to see if he is a building block if there are other reasonable alternatives.
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50+ at bats in the amount of time he was up sounds like he wasn't ever really given a chance save a spot start and pinch hitting duties every once in a while. While his stats were bad... I don't think he was ever given a legit chance to crack the lineup.
 
A player making his debut at 25 has less room for growth than one making his debut at 23. Plus players who debut earlier tend to be more talented to start with. But I think the mostly likely outcome next year is for some modest improvement from Jace. He's going to finish this year as a 0.5-1.0 WAR player. I think 1.0-1.5 next year is a reasonable projection. Could be a bit better but there is some downside risk too. It could be the league has figured out a few things about him and that his performance in recent months is his true level. Given all the issues with the team, I don't think finding a new second baseman is a priority. Let Jace start 2016 as our regular at second and take it from there.
 
msstate7 said:
His defense has been less than stellar in the minors. Should we consider moving him to 2b and keep Garcia at 3b? Peterson has been abysmal for most of the season. Let Peterson learn to play multiple positions and maybe be utility player
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I’m on board with keeping Olivera at second, which from all accounts seems to be his more natural position, if only to save stress on the throwing elbow.

I’m higher on Peterson than you, but I think even Uribe/K Johnson would be a measurable upgrade in the lineup over either Peterson or Gracia, and Jace would certainly still see PLENTY of playing time.

As for the Jace/Garcia question, I can’t say I’m thrilled with either full-time at third, although I’m intrigued by Garcia’s power potential. I’d be onboard. I just think there are better bats out there for third. The Braves are far more likely to sign a bat for third than second.
 
I like Jace and think he could turn into a very good role player, but he could also be a utility player. We should probably look for guys who can play multiple positions put them out there and see who wins the jobs.
 
I hadn't noticed how bad Jace has struggled in August, but still "abysmal" is hardly the word I would use to describe him this year.
 
Carp said:
I hadn't noticed how bad Jace has struggled in August, but still "abysmal" is hardly the word I would use to describe him this year.
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He was worse in July. Two awful months in a row. I agree that his season hasn't been abysmal, but he's had a protracted stretch of misery.

I'm for allowing him the continued opportunity to assert himself as a long-term starter, but we sure shouldn't consider ourselves wedded to that decision. I imagine that Castro would be exposed if he got a longer look, but I hope he's ready to compete next year.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
The one thing I'm fairly confident of is that Olivera is a second baseman. He looks way smoother at second than he does at third.

Next question is whether Peterson is good enough to keep your prized acquisition from playing his natural position, which ought to smooth his transition to ML, and the answer's gotta be "no." So maybe 3B is the hole to fill with a power bat.
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Our entire infield is going to hit 40 HR's combined.
 
JohnAdcox said:
I’m on board with keeping Olivera at second, which from all accounts seems to be his more natural position, if only to save stress on the throwing elbow.

I’m higher on Peterson than you, but I think even Uribe/K Johnson would be a measurable upgrade in the lineup over either Peterson or Gracia, and Jace would certainly still see PLENTY of playing time.

As for the Jace/Garcia question, I can’t say I’m thrilled with either full-time at third, although I’m intrigued by Garcia’s power potential. I’d be onboard. I just think there are better bats out there for third. The Braves are far more likely to sign a bat for third than second.
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I am on record with keeping Olivera at 2B. I included that in my recommendation that the Braves look to trade Miller to Colorado for OF Dahl, 3B McMahon and C Murphy then replacing Miller via FA.
 
Carp said:
I hadn't noticed how bad Jace has struggled in August, but still "abysmal" is hardly the word I would use to describe him this year.
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He has a wRC+ of 78

He's been horrid and a giant negative on O, hes been decent on D.
 
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