Post Post-Heyward Discussion Here.

Sure but as the contract ages and the defense fades with nicks and bumps... you are over paying the bejesus out of a 750 ops player for the last half of that deal that isn't Andrew Jones out there.

Not a situation the Braves can afford to be in.

The contract would theoretically fade by the time he's 32-33. Not 36-38 as some of the awful awful big money contracts that have been handed out the last few years like Cano.
 
Sure but as the contract ages and the defense fades with nicks and bumps... you are over paying the bejesus out of a 750 ops player for the last half of that deal that isn't Andrew Jones out there.

Not a situation the Braves can afford to be in.

Heyward hasn't even reached his prime yet. Sure it's possible that Heyward could not improve on offense as he enters his prime and decline on defense. But that's not probable. And 90% of all MLB contracts are paid out on what a player has done and not what they will do.
 
The contract would theoretically fade by the time he's 32-33. Not 36-38 as some of the awful awful big money contracts that have been handed out the last few years like Cano.

Cano put up monster years already. He was a complete player at a position of scarcity with plenty to back it up on his resume. You knew what you were getting.

And the Braves couldn't afford Cano's contract either, so I'm not really sure thats a fair comparison.
 
It doesn't, and how would it make you feel when he told you flat out that you didn't earn that inflated raise with your passed years performance?

All the while you were looking at a bidding war between all 32 teams at the conclusion of this coming year to get you that raise you feel like you deserved? Why would you consider what you believe is a lesser offer- a year out from the bidding war? What sense would that make for you?

I feel like the Braves would have made a top dollar offer had Heyward hit 280\355\450 this passed year. Sucks he didn't, but it is what it is.

The Braves financially cannot pay top dollar simply for potential. The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be.

I feel like the only way you don't get this is you are trolling us all.

How would I feel? Lol......seriously?

Heyward was set to make 7.8 mil? So if he asks for 20 mil per and gets 15....his feelings will be hurt? Come the **** on. And IF his feelings DO get hurt....who the hell cares? You planned on trading him anyway.
 
Bottom line, Braves are stupid. Heyward was our most marketable player. We traded our most marketable player for Shelby Miller. Freeman has some charm, but Jason could have been a Derek Jeter type if his career clicked.

I hope he goes on to have a monstrous career and we look dumb. We deserve it, we really do, I could get trading Justin, I could get trading Gattis, though I wouldn't have done either, but trading Jason was really dumb. Only redeeming thing that may happen is maybe we'll luck into him testing FA and us being the highest bidder, but I doubt it. Cards will extend him or he'll go to LA or NY or god forbid Philly.

"IF" his career clicked. It's fair to question if we got the right package for Heyward but I just don't understand how people complain about trading him given his situation.
 
Heyward hasn't even reached his prime yet. Sure it's possible that Heyward could not improve on offense as he enters his prime and decline on defense. But that's not probable. And 90% of all MLB contracts are paid out on what a player has done and not what they will do.

There are a lot of "ifs" running around the Heyward issue and this is one of them that somehow gets discounted. We don't know if Heyward gets back to where he was in 2012 or not.
 
There are a lot of "ifs" running around the Heyward issue and this is one of them that somehow gets discounted. We don't know if Heyward gets back to where he was in 2012 or not.

If all he does is be a WRC+120 hitter with elite defense he's going to be extremely valuable. Sure its possible he never gets back to that after getting hit in the face. I just think it's funny that people expect his defense to decline like he was some 30 year old looking for a mega contract.
 
Move along people. Please.

Comments like this are frustrating.

I know that people get tired of reading about Heyward, especially when his departure appears to have already been discussed ad nauseam, but this trade is going to have profound effects (in one way or the other -- that's subjective) on the Braves for the next 10 years. It signifies so much; what the team values, how the front office negotiates, financial flexibility, basically, the future.

Oakland fans are having this same conversation about Donaldson.

It's natural, expected .... necessary.

If you aren't interested in engaging, then skip the thread. I think that's why SAV created this, because the Heyward discussion was inevitably bleeding into a lot of other discussions.
 
Cano put up monster years already. He was a complete player at a position of scarcity with plenty to back it up on his resume. You knew what you were getting.

And the Braves couldn't afford Cano's contract either, so I'm not really sure thats a fair comparison.

You also know that the last half of Cano's contract is going to be an albatross. Just like 90% of all mega contracts that looks up a player throughout their 30's. Cano got paid on what he already did. Just like Pujols did with the Angels contract. Heyward would be signing his deal through his prime. And if he only does what he's done so far then you are getting a good hitter with elite defense. Players don't usually decline in their prime.
 
Comments like this are frustrating.

I know that people get tired of reading about Heyward, especially when his departure appears to have already been discussed ad nauseam, but this trade is going to have profound effects (in one way or the other -- that's subjective) on this team for the next 10 years. It signifies so much; what the team values, how the front office negotiates, financial flexibility, basically, the future.

Oakland fans are having this same conversation about Donaldson.

It's natural, expected .... necessary.

If you aren't interested in engaging, then skip the thread. I think that's why SAV created this, because the Heyward discussion was inevitably bleeding into a lot of other discussions.
Sure I get that. But before everyone starts crying again, can we at least wait until some games are played before we evaluate the trade?
 
How would I feel? Lol......seriously?

Heyward was set to make 7.8 mil? So if he asks for 20 mil per and gets 15....his feelings will be hurt? Come the **** on. And IF his feelings DO get hurt....who the hell cares? You planned on trading him anyway.

Those weren't the numbers that were in play, so I'm not sure what you are getting at. When you want to wake up to reality, let's chat again.
 
The FO didn't have any of their own numbers in play.

Sure. Whatever. Your mind is made up. My post was incorrect, I "MEANT" that Brule wasn't posting real numbers that would have worked. If he thinks the FO wouldn't have paid Heyward 15 mill a year, then pass what he's on.

The Braves don't have leverage when he is a year out of FA. None. Back when Freeman was getting paid, he had a chance and he declined. He thought another year would net him a huge payday. He was wrong, and wasn't all that good even in his fully healthy season with the bat.

Right now, he isn't a 25 million dollar player valued for the braves, but he thinks he is. There is the impasse.

I feel like if Heyward had beast'd out this year and put up some really nice numbers, he would have had a heckuva offer from Atlanta FO but probably still gone to FA to test it out. Do you feel like he wouldn't?
 
Those weren't the numbers that were in play, so I'm not sure what you are getting at. When you want to wake up to reality, let's chat again.

I'm getting at, who cares what Heyward wants...why were we "scared" to offer him a contract because he wanted __X__ amount?
 
According to Jason Heyward, this did not happen.

So when they were working on Freeman's and everyone else's extensions (Jason's for that matter), it never came up?

Uh huh.

Fwiw, conversations could have been had without Jason.

This could also be saving face as Ramadan has indicated parameters for what they felt he was worth were known. That seems like "talks" to me.
 
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