¿Qué decisión tomar con respecto a Peráza?

yeezus said:
I know Jace is an older-ish rookie, but he's still just a rookie who's making adjustments. He's been improving every month, with April his only poor month. He was really good in May and has been even better in the SSS of June.
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I think a relevant split to look at Jace is when he started taking over as the primary second baseman.
 
thethe said:
You put an average pen on this teamand they are in first place.
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The Nats have also underachieved. This could obviously continue, but I wouldn't want to bet on it. I really hope the FO doesn't think about selling off valuable assets to go for it this year. We're in a good spot right now IMO, even without making the playoffs this year.
 
chop2chip said:
I find it interesting that all of us are stat book scouting these players.

I am a huge Peraza fan. He may not walk, but he's got a plus plus contact skill and KLaw said that most scouts he talks to throw a 70 on his defense. Obviously he is a 70-80 runner.

I like Mallex and I can buy that he could be a good major leaguer, but he has been doing what he's done this year for his whole minor league career and he hasn't caught much attention. I'm also really concerned with the universal assessment that he's below average defensively. If he can't handle CF then he's going to have to BABIP the hell out of the ball to be a good LF.

I didn't mind moving Peraza to CF. If his defense translates to an equivalent of 70 there then he's going to be immensely valuable. Juan Lagares just got 40 million for being a defense first CF. If Peraza can play elite defense in center and hit around .300 with 40 steals we have an easy 3-4 WAR player on our hands. The same holds true if he sticks at 2B (Dee Gordon has shown this year that that exact skill set is valuable at that position).
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I think the scouting community wanted to see if what Mallex did last year was a Cali league aberration. He is repeating that and if not for an injury early in the year he might be besting those numbers. The concerns of his defense are apparently real though which sucks.
 
thethe said:
I think a relevant split to look at Jace is when he started taking over as the primary second baseman.
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Definitely. He was Fredi-ed early on and couldn't get consistency (on offense or defense). Since he's been plugged as the every dayer, he's been really good (and again, improving each month).
 
yeezus said:
I know Jace is an older-ish rookie, but he's still just a rookie who's making adjustments. He's been improving every month, with April his only poor month. He was really good in May and has been even better in the SSS of June.
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He's been better than advertised defensively, decent on offense, and a terrible baserunner.
 
yeezus said:
The Nats have also underachieved. This could obviously continue, but I wouldn't want to bet on it. I really hope the FO doesn't think about selling off valuable assets to go for it this year. We're in a good spot right now IMO, even without making the playoffs this year.
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Yeah, my point was just moving forward I think we are in a great spot as long as we fix the pen. The core of the tema is still very and I am expecting the starting rotation to continue to improve.
 
thethe said:
I think the scouting community wanted to see if what Mallex did last year was a Cali league aberration. He is repeating that and if not for an injury early in the year he might be besting those numbers. The concerns of his defense are apparently real though which sucks.
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Please refer me to the article that says scouts thought his offense was a product of the Cali league. I think everyone was concerned about his contact hit tool translating due to the strikeouts.

That question hasn't been answered yet.
 
chop2chip said:
Please refer me to the article that says scouts thought his offense was a product of the Cali league. I think everyone was concerned about his contact hit tool translating due to the strikeouts.

That question hasn't been answered yet.
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I think with hitters that is always the question though isn't it in that league? Thats why people don't take PCL offensive numbers all too seriously with most prospects.
 
thethe said:
Offense hasn't been a problem this year. Not one bit.
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Run scoring hasn't been a problem (6th in NL). But, the team is 6th in the NL in OBP, 12th in slugging, and 10th in OPS. Overall, we are 11th in OPS. You just cannot sustain that level of run scoring ability thru cluster luck.
 
thethe said:
Offense hasn't been a problem this year. Not one bit.
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I don't think the offensive being better than expected this year tells us much going forward. Maybe a bit if Maybin and Peterson can sustain what they are doing. But much of this year's pleasant surprise has to do with hitting with runners in scoring position and pinch hitting. We have done very well there relative to our overall hitting stats, which makes it seem we are much better offensively than we really are. And then there are the older players (KJ, Uribe, AJ, Muk) who are either going to be gone in a year or so or won't sustain what they are doing this year.
 
thethe said:
I think with hitters that is always the question though isn't it in that league? Thats why people don't take PCL offensive numbers all too seriously with most prospects.
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I guess you could say that was the question that Internet scouts had about Mallex (aka us... And Chris Crawford). But there is only so much information you can gather looking at minor league box scores. We don't know if Mallex can hit breaking balls, but hit a fastball. We don't know how many his hits are due to traditional pathetic minor league defense. We don't know how strong his contact is. All we know is "3-4 with a SB".

Which is why I'm not gonna say he won't be a good starting CF! It's just that in his case we have good reason to be concerned about his numbers translating because any scout that has seen him play raises an eyebrow at his swing. Someone that takes a short swing approach and still strikes out 18% of the time might struggle in the big leagues.
 
gilesfan said:
Run scoring hasn't been a problem (6th in NL). But, the team is 6th in the NL in OBP, 12th in slugging, and 10th in OPS. Overall, we are 11th in OPS. You just cannot sustain that level of run scoring ability thru cluster luck.
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I don't like attributing good contact and on-base skills with simply "luck." We're getting guys on base and that makes hitting easier and pitching more difficult.

Almost the entire Giants lineup is hitting at or near .300. That isn't luck. Will it continue? Not likely. But they consistently have good approaches and a good philosophy at the plate. We've seen a similar approach from the Braves.
 
chop2chip said:
I guess you could say that was the question that Internet scouts had about Mallex (aka us... And Chris Crawford). But there is only so much information you can gather looking at minor league box scores. We don't know if Mallex can hit breaking balls, but hit a fastball. We don't know how many his hits are due to traditional pathetic minor league defense. We don't know how strong his contact is. All we know is "3-4 with a SB".

Which is why I'm not gonna say he won't be a good starting CF! It's just that in his case we have good reason to be concerned about his numbers translating because any scout that has seen him play raises an eyebrow at his swing.
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These are solid points. Even amateur stats people can look at his numbers and be concerned though. He's numbers are almost completely driven by BABIP and you have to question how much of that is due to luck and/or how much of it is due to terrible minor league defense. At least with guys that have pop, you can surprise they are probably hitting balls in gaps/over the fence and their numbers are heavily due to defense/luck.
 
nsacpi said:
I don't think the offensive being better than expected this year tells us much going forward. Maybe a bit if Maybin and Peterson can sustain what they are doing. But much of this year's pleasant surprise has to do with hitting with runners in scoring position and pinch hitting. We have done very well there relative to our overall hitting stats, which makes it seem we are much better offensively than we really are. And then there are the older players (KJ, Uribe, AJ, Muk) who are either going to be gone in a year or so or won't sustain what they are doing this year.
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The good news moving forward is that, aside from a couple weeks from KJ before he got hurt, we have gotten nothing out of 3B and LF, and below average production from catcher. LF and 3B have traditionally been positions where you can find power so we have the capacity to improve there. Aside from Maybin, there isn't anyone really outperforming their career averages (Markakis is just doing it differently then he always has).

I don't think we will ever have a top tier offense with this group, but we can be above average with the right upgrades and we should be exceptional defensively.
 
Somebody should let "yeezus" know that he doesn't have to keep quoting my posts. He and that other clown, "Heyward," were the original members on my ignore list, about 18 months ago.
 
yeezus said:
I don't like attributing good contact and on-base skills with simply "luck." We're getting guys on base and that makes hitting easier and pitching more difficult.

Almost the entire Giants lineup is hitting at or near .300. That isn't luck. Will it continue? Not likely. But they consistently have good approaches and a good philosophy at the plate. We've seen a similar approach from the Braves.
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The team is slightly above average at getting on base. Run scoring has been due to the clustering of hits together. You can get 7 singles in a game and score 0 runs or get 7 hits in a game and score 5. Neither shows a superiority over the other unless you believe that players can control when they get hits.
 
gilesfan said:
These are solid points. Even amateur stats people can look at his numbers and be concerned though. He's numbers are almost completely driven by BABIP and you have to question how much of that is due to luck and/or how much of it is due to terrible minor league defense. At least with guys that have pop, you can surprise they are probably hitting balls in gaps/over the fence and their numbers are heavily due to defense/luck.
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From all accounts though he seems to be really good at bunting, putting the ball on the ground, and he's the fastest guy in the minor leagues. He's going to have unusually high BABIP. I'm just worried about the "BIP" part of BABIP with him.
 
gilesfan said:
The team is slightly above average at getting on base. Run scoring has been due to the clustering of hits together. You can get 7 singles in a game and score 0 runs or get 7 hits in a game and score 5. Neither shows a superiority over the other unless you believe that players can control when they get hits.
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I think it holds true for players like Freddie Freeman. When he has runners on base he can't be shifted as much. That's the reason why he's been consistently incredible with hitting with RISP.
 
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