yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Yeah, what? Their numbers are far from "pretty much identical." Mallex hits for a higher average, walks more, more power. And as I said in another thread, he's been improving at every level moving up.
¿Qué decisión tomar con respecto a Peráza?
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Yeah, what? Their numbers are far from "pretty much identical." Mallex hits for a higher average, walks more, more power. And as I said in another thread, he's been improving at every level moving up.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
I agree, I'm not rushing to trade him or bring him up.
Perfect Cell
Lynchburg Prospect
I actually think if i remember correctly metrics put him as not so good defensively but my memory is hazy
but thats not my point. My point is you cant just get rid of a top prospect just cause you think you have a position locked up cause history shows us that you dont. I want to keep Peraza, and if Peterson matures and develops and sustains production then awesome. We can figure out where to play everybody later. Maybe Peterson can play 3B, or become a super sub or whatever.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
What I am thinking is that a dumb franchise might see him as a centerpiece guy, so we could get a nice return. another year or so, the bloom is off the rose and we can't snooker anybody.
That's if he's overrated offensively, and I think, unless he develops power or discipline, he is.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
I agree there. He isn't untradeable if another team absolutely loves him or really needs him and gives us an overpay.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
I understand your point but Esco always rated good defensively and the eye test matched up. He made some weird, silly mistakes, but also has/had a cannon and good range.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
it was an objectively poor comparison.
If anything Juan Pierre was an integral part to a world series team and Mallex Smith projects to be a much better player.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I fully endorse making trades with the dumb and desperate. Those are really the only people we should be dealing with.
I've mentioned in prior posts that guys like Smith, Peraza and Albies all project as Ben Revere-type hitters. To really become valuable they need to develop some power, like Altuve. But right now it is more likely they end up being like a Revere than an Altuve. So if someone wants to make an offer for any of them that values them as Altuve-type players I'm all for accepting it.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Not sure how Smith and Albies compare to Revere, as they both take a lot of walks and Smith has more power (Albies has a good shot of hitting for more, too).
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
who is anointing him a "lock" at 2B?
But he has a good minor league track record and looks good out there, as a rookie. He could reasonably improve. It's not two months; it's the minors + a strong major league debut.
Mallex has an isoSLG of .067, he has a long way before anything thinks he's going to hit 10+ homers in the majors. Was it Bobby Cox that wrote the article?
Juan Pierre was a damn good player for a few years in the majors. He almost hit .300 for his career, which is really tough to do. He just didn't have much pop and a noodle arm. BTW, Pierre was in the majors at age 22.
I don't really think it's an insult to compare Smith to Pierre. Both were singles hitters. Smith likely walks a little bit more and strikes out a lot more. FYI, but Smith's IsoSLG right now in AA is equal to Juan Pierre's career IsoSLG in the major leagues.
by who?
I do think Peraza could profile as a Juan Pierre offensviely. If you don't walk and hit for power then you are going to be pretty limited. Of course the main difference is that Pierre was a poor defensive OF where Peraza should be a plus middle infielder which should sustain Peraza in years where he might not be that lucky in the average dept.
I do sort of wish that the sabremetric movement started about a decade later so that Pierre could of gotten his 3000 hits. That would of been awesome.
I do sort of wish that the sabremetric movement started about a decade later so that Pierre could of gotten his 3000 hits. That would of been awesome.
IMO, Peraza should have stayed at SS unless he was just a train wreck on defense. I don't believe in extracting value from players in the minors by moving them to lesser defensive positions. The issue Hart is going to have to figure out is he has so many of the same type of players. (Albies, Smith, Jace, Peraza) and only 1-2 spots for them to fill. You don't want any of the 4 playing anything other than SS, 2B, CF and SS is locked up for a long time. Its incredible that posters would pencil in all 4 of those guys as being better than Juan Pierre.
I would trade Peraza in a heartbeat for a top 5 corner outfielder or 3B prospect if another team felt they needed a speedster. Trading him for relief pitchers would be pretty dumb though.
I would trade Peraza in a heartbeat for a top 5 corner outfielder or 3B prospect if another team felt they needed a speedster. Trading him for relief pitchers would be pretty dumb though.
striker42
Well-known member
Peraza is seriously being undervalued. Mallex has been ridiculously good this year and may have passed Peraza as our top position player prospect, but I feel that's making people discount Peraza by comparing the two. Add to it the fact that Peterson has filled second base admirably and that we now have depth in the system with leadoff hitters and Peraza is further pushed to the side. Just because we have other excellent prospects with similar skill sets and now have depth in the areas Peraza would help doesn't make Peraza someone you just give away.
Peraza has the value of whatever a team would pay to get him if we decide to trade him and a team will pay far more than a few relievers for him.
Peraza has the value of whatever a team would pay to get him if we decide to trade him and a team will pay far more than a few relievers for him.
That's going to be his biggest hurdle imo. Pierre was always very hard to strike out and that helped him a ton.