"I Can't Breathe"

BedellBrave said:
But what are those core beliefs? I'm just encouraging you to be self-aware. To consider what that set of beliefs is that you cherish - that affects what you think morally and especially why you think others should also think that way -act that way, etc.

P.S. There probably is a name for it.
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LOL. Ask me a specific question. The more detail and context, the better. "Core beliefs" is incredibly general.
You don't have to encourage me to be anything.
I don't "cherish" any beliefs. I live by what I feel is right. It's a lot of different things.
 
BedellBrave said:
You do follow a specific religion - your own. "They are wrong to me because I consider it unnecessarily detrimental..." is an inherently religious statement.
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LOL OK! You're calling my conscious a religion. I don't consider it that. Whatever. You're not to convince me to start considering my conscious a religion, and I'm not sure why it even matters what it's called.

jesus, maybe this is why goldfly doesn't get in to it. I cannot understand the density coming from you.
 
I have no doubt that you do cherish some beliefs yeezus. But I'm an old man who needs to go to bed now. :) Talk with you later if your are interested in teasing this out a bit more. Thanks for going back and forth with me.
 
Hawk said:
I think that's exactly what he's saying. Religion is inherently meta.
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Right, I don't know why I have to agree with him. I don't think who I am is a religion. But if you want to call it that..fine, I really don't care. But I still don't have a name for you.
 
yeezus said:
LOL OK! You're calling my conscious a religion. I don't consider it that. Whatever. You're not to convince me to start considering my conscious a religion, and I'm not sure why it even matters what it's called.

jesus, maybe this is why goldfly doesn't get in to it. I cannot understand the density coming from you.
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Your conscious is informed/shaped by something...
 
"A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence."
 
One last bit for the night and then I've got to turn in.

yeezus you wrote:

"They're wrong to me because I consider it unnecessarily detrimental to another person, or animal, or whatever."

And I ask, why do you think something unnecessarily detrimental to another person is wrong? Why is it wrong harm another person? You think it is because of certain beliefs about people. Those beliefs are inherently religious.
 
Hawk said:
"A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence."
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I think "organized" is a key word there. My specific feelings on certain issues are organized in to anything. Again, I cannot give anyone a name as to what religion I am. To me, it's like someone named A asking "Who's your favorite football team." B saying "I don't follow football." And A saying "...but you have to be rooting for somebody."
 
yeezus said:
I think "organized" is a key word there. My specific feelings on certain issues are organized in to anything. Again, I cannot give anyone a name as to what religion I am. To me, it's like someone named A asking "Who's your favorite football team." B saying "I don't follow football." And A saying "...but you have to be rooting for somebody."
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It's not merely organized externally (like say Roman Catholicism) but also an internally - mentally organized set of beliefs. And we might not be very conscious of that organization - but it's there, at least to a certain extent.
 
BedellBrave said:
One last bit for the night and then I've got to turn in.

yeezus you wrote:

"They're wrong to me because I consider it unnecessarily detrimental to another person, or animal, or whatever."

And I ask, why do you think something unnecessarily detrimental to another person is wrong? Why is it wrong harm another person? You think it is because of certain beliefs about people. That's inherently religious.
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Most people, regardless of religion, feel that same way. You're calling a conscious a religion. Fine. I think a conscious is inherent, I don't call it religion, or think it's based on one.
 
Any secular morality is highly steeped in the religious and folk morality from which is springs, and that religious morality has itself been highly steeped in the secular morality that gave birth to it, sort of like a dog chasing its tail.
 
yeezus said:
Most people, regardless of religion, feel that same way. You're calling a conscious a religion. Fine. I think a conscious is inherent, I don't call it religion, or think it's based on one.
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No. I am not calling a conscience religion. I am saying that conscience is formed and fashioned by religion. Or if innate finds itself in accord with some ethic and set of beliefs from which the ethic springs - i.e., with religion.

Let's take your statement "most people...feel the same way." Do you mean, that if "most people" believe something then that makes it right? If you do, then that's a religious belief. Do you mean, that an ethical belief like that is a product of societal evolution and as such it is "right"? That's a religious belief.
 
BedellBrave said:
No. I am not calling a conscience religion. I am saying that conscience is formed and fashioned by religion. Or if innate finds itself in accord with some ethic and set of beliefs from which the ethic springs - i.e., with religion.

Let's take your statement "most people...feel the same way." Do you mean, that if "most people" believe something then that makes it right? If you do, then that's a religious belief. Do you mean, that an ethical belief like that is a product of societal evolution and as such it is "right"? That's a religious belief.
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It is an inherent belief most people have. That, to me, is not a religion, or a result of one.
 
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