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yes there is overrating him. Do you think Demarcus Ware is a HOFer? I don't. Edge rushers are a new breed, All their value is in a sack. They don't contribute in the same comparison as a defensive end. And they tend to age out early because so much of their value is speed, when they lose a step they're no longer getting 15-20 sacks, they're closer to 10. Which has value, but isn't HOF caliber.

And Baalke isn't the best GM in the game. Ozzie Newsome, 2 rings many great teams, Ted Thompson, 1 ring, Aaron Rodgers, Jerry Reese, 2 rings, interesting one because the Giants ran so hot and cold, but hard to argue against the rings, and Bill Belichek are all for sure better. Of course you will be a homer and try to argue against it.

Bellichek hasn't won crap since he has been picking the players.

Can't argue with Newsome.

Tompson has the best QB of all time IMO. Kudo's to him for drafting him but they win because of Rodgers and not because he picks a great team.

Jerry Resses first team was basically Acorsi's team. He has been crap aside from the super bowl teams. The roster is awful right now.
 
And Ware is obviously going to be a HOFer by the time his career is over.

Its funny you diminish the contribution of an edge rusher and the reason the Falcons suck is tht they can't put pressure ont he QB.
 
Bellichek hasn't won crap since he has been picking the players.

Can't argue with Newsome.

Tompson has the best QB of all time IMO. Kudo's to him for drafting him but they win because of Rodgers and not because he picks a great team.

Jerry Resses first team was basically Acorsi's team. He has been crap aside from the super bowl teams. The roster is awful right now.

Belichek's Pats have missed what, one playoff in his history?

Thompson has drafted Rodgers, Hawk, Jennings, James Jones, Nelson, Finley, Raji, Matthews, Bulaga, Cobb, so on so forth. Him having the foresight to draft Rodgers while having Favre deserves a lot of credit.
 
And Ware is obviously going to be a HOFer by the time his career is over.

Its funny you diminish the contribution of an edge rusher and the reason the Falcons suck is tht they can't put pressure ont he QB.

Falcons have edge rush issues, but Aldon and Ware couldn't be as effective in a 4-3 system. Falcons need a hybrid someone fast like them but big enough to be effective vs the run.
 
From PFF:

Right now Borland reminds me of Luke Kuechly – a tackling machine with outstanding instincts and a nose for the football – and though it is early days he is already impressing me more than Kuechly ever has. He might remind me a lot of Kuechly, but I think he may be a better player, and given that Kuechly is currently sitting atop the PFF inside linebacker rankings that is no small praise.
 
Bellichek hasn't won crap since he has been picking the players.

Can't argue with Newsome.

Tompson has the best QB of all time IMO. Kudo's to him for drafting him but they win because of Rodgers and not because he picks a great team.

Jerry Resses first team was basically Acorsi's team. He has been crap aside from the super bowl teams. The roster is awful right now.

Bellichek hasn't won crap? What has SF won?
 
Zito was posing some GM's that were better than Baalke. I disgareed with Bellicheck because the reason that team wins is because of Brady and we was drafted by someone other than Bellichek.

No, I understand that...but you can't take away credit from BB and the Pats because they got Brady. Every team in the league passed on him 6 times, they get the credit for taking him and all the success that came with it.
 
Zito was posing some GM's that were better than Baalke. I disgareed with Bellicheck because the reason that team wins is because of Brady and we was drafted by someone other than Bellichek.

Brady doesn't totally discount everything else they've done. They've found a lot of good players to build an incredibly successful run.
 
No, I understand that...but you can't take away credit from BB and the Pats because they got Brady. Every team in the league passed on him 6 times, they get the credit for taking him and all the success that came with it.

I'm not disparaging the Patriots. We are comparing the merits of a GM. Bellichek wasn't always the guy that picked players. After he won all those super bowls he gradually gained more power over play personel. I don't believe its right to give him credit for Brady. Just my opinion.
 
Brady doesn't totally discount everything else they've done. They've found a lot of good players to build an incredibly successful run.

Absolutely they have but a great QB changes everything.

The Packers are basically all Aaron Rodgers. He is that good. A whole organization changes with an all time QB.
 
I'm not disparaging the Patriots. We are comparing the merits of a GM. Bellichek wasn't always the guy that picked players. After he won all those super bowls he gradually gained more power over play personel. I don't believe its right to give him credit for Brady. Just my opinion.

No one is necessarily giving him credit for Brady. Brady isn't the sole reason for the SBs. You still need 52 other players.
 
I'm not disparaging the Patriots. We are comparing the merits of a GM. Bellichek wasn't always the guy that picked players. After he won all those super bowls he gradually gained more power over play personel. I don't believe its right to give him credit for Brady. Just my opinion.

That just makes no sense, so Baalke doesn't get credit for Kap, right? Or any other player than Harbaugh won out on?
 
That just makes no sense, so Baalke doesn't get credit for Kap, right? Or any other player than Harbaugh won out on?

Baalke picked those players. Bellicheck was not the guy who picked Brady. Sure, he may have had some input but Bellichek was not the figure then as he is now. As a GM, Bellichek should not get credit for Brady.
 
Absolutely they have but a great QB changes everything.

The Packers are basically all Aaron Rodgers. He is that good. A whole organization changes with an all time QB.

So Thompson is smarter bc he picked a great QB which changes everything?
 
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