Red Sox To Acquire Drew Pomeranz From Padres

Southcack77 said:
Quite possible the Sox think Pomeranz is the better talent.
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They may see Pomeranz as better for their park, even if they don't see him as better than Teheran outright. I'm not familiar with Pomeranz' batted ball profile and am too lazy/unsure of the best place to look it up, but I would guess he has less deep flies than Julio (aka I wouldn't buy high on Julio in Colorado).
 
50PoundHead said:
He may be Brad Radke with better stuff. Throws strikes and a lot of those strikes travel a long way. He's a lot more aggressive this year than he was early last year and he's a flyball pitcher, so the HRs aren't that big of a surprise.
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That comparison is absolute ****. The guy's a stud with a touch of a gopher problem. That's all that separates him from any pitcher you'd care to name.
 
gilesfan said:
It is way too early to say that he will undoubtedly do anything.

Julio has thrown 2 years of 200 IP seasons. I wouldn't say he's a certain 200 IP type guy.

People have different opinions on what a top of the rotation guy is, but I don't consider a 3.4 ERA/3.9 FIP guy a top of the rotation pitcher. (he's roughly 40th in war in past 3+ years' 3+ in ERA) There are also concerns with his future longevity due to pitching mechanics.
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fWAR for pitchers is a joke
 
GovClintonTyree said:
That comparison is absolute ****. The guy's a stud with a touch of a gopher problem. That's all that separates him from any pitcher you'd care to name.
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Hence my use of the term "better stuff." Julio's going to give up some HRs. He's around the plate a lot and a half an inch can mean the difference between a 300 foot sky ball and a 450 dinger. Radke was a pretty good pitcher for the Twins, but he didn't have Julio's tools. Again, that was covered in my use of the term "better stuff."
 
50PoundHead said:
Hence my use of the term "better stuff." Julio's going to give up some HRs. He's around the plate a lot and a half an inch can mean the difference between a 300 foot sky ball and a 450 dinger. Radke was a pretty good pitcher for the Twins, but he didn't have Julio's tools. Again, that was covered in my use of the term "better stuff."
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That's what gets me. Julio is one adjustment away (allowing so many homers) to being a bonafide ace. The guy is so impressive.

That also being said, Folty hasn't allowed a homer in two starts. #AceCityBaby #Lol
 
UNCBlue012 said:
That's what gets me. Julio is one adjustment away (allowing so many homers) to being a bonafide ace. The guy is so impressive.

That also being said, Folty hasn't allowed a homer in two starts. #AceCityBaby #Lol
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I don't gripe about managers much, but Snitker's handling of Foltynewicz on Saturday night was tragicomical. Folty had given him 7 sterling innings but his pitch count was nudging toward 100. He had done his job. Funny thing (or not so funny) about Snitker's bullpen management is that he is so inconsistent. I think that's the difference between managing in the minors (where the goal is player development) and the majors (where the goal is winning games). Snitker's brain seems to be a ping-pong ball between those two sides of the net.
 
gilesfan said:
It is way too early to say that he will undoubtedly do anything.

Julio has thrown 2 years of 200 IP seasons. I wouldn't say he's a certain 200 IP type guy.

People have different opinions on what a top of the rotation guy is, but I don't consider a 3.4 ERA/3.9 FIP guy a top of the rotation pitcher. (he's roughly 40th in war in past 3+ years' 3+ in ERA) There are also concerns with his future longevity due to pitching mechanics.
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Say what?

Julio threw 185 innings in his first full season in the bigs at age 22. He then threw 212 and 200 innings his age 23 and 24 season. He has thrown 125 innings, and is on pace to throw ~217 innings in his age 25 season. He has never had even a hint of arm troubles.

I don't think there is a pitcher in the game right now who is more likely to throw 200+ innings per year during the next 3-4 years. If you say "I wouldn't say he's a certain 200 IP type guy", then you wouldn't call any pitcher currently playing a 200 IP guy.
 
50PoundHead said:
I don't gripe about managers much, but Snitker's handling of Foltynewicz on Saturday night was tragicomical. Folty had given him 7 sterling innings but his pitch count was nudging toward 100. He had done his job. Funny thing (or not so funny) about Snitker's bullpen management is that he is so inconsistent. I think that's the difference between managing in the minors (where the goal is player development) and the majors (where the goal is winning games). Snitker's brain seems to be a ping-pong ball between those two sides of the net.
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I mentioned this exact thing to someone that night. Anyone not wearing a #49 on his jersey should have EVERY start capped at 7 innings this season - no matter how well they're pitching - unless their pitch count is so low that they can complete their no-no, 1-hitter, shutout, whatever in less than 110 pitches IMO. Going 8 instead of 7 and then being taken out because of pitch count doesn't strike me as much more to boost confidence personally. JMO, but I don't think any of the young arms will complain - especially if they get a W. Our pen has typically been too good to waste starts like that. I appreciate the situation Snitker's in - he's trying to show the kids that he has every confidence in them and that he's going to stick with them until the brass' dictated pitch count forces him to take them out. As a player, you've got to love that. However, I'd much rather these guys build the confidence that they can handle anybody for 7 innings and let the pen do their jobs. Folty's confidence has been shaky anyway (to say the least), and I think it'd be far more helpful to send him to the clubhouse rather than let him dig himself a hole - even if the pen bails him out. Seeing him sit over on the bench looking like the spoiled kid he acts like at times can't possibly endear him to his teammates. Let them all congratulate him in the dugout and give the pen a clean inning to start with. If they blow it and Folty wants to mope, complain, and throw stuff in the clubhouse where the cameras aren't focused on him that's fine. I'd guess everyone could identify with that.
 
clvclv said:
I mentioned this exact thing to someone that night. Anyone not wearing a #49 on his jersey should have EVERY start capped at 7 innings this season - no matter how well they're pitching - unless their pitch count is so low that they can complete their no-no, 1-hitter, shutout, whatever in less than 110 pitches IMO. Going 8 instead of 7 and then being taken out because of pitch count doesn't strike me as much more to boost confidence personally. JMO, but I don't think any of the young arms will complain - especially if they get a W. Our pen has typically been too good to waste starts like that. I appreciate the situation Snitker's in - he's trying to show the kids that he has every confidence in them and that he's going to stick with them until the brass' dictated pitch count forces him to take them out. As a player, you've got to love that. However, I'd much rather these guys build the confidence that they can handle anybody for 7 innings and let the pen do their jobs. Folty's confidence has been shaky anyway (to say the least), and I think it'd be far more helpful to send him to the clubhouse rather than let him dig himself a hole - even if the pen bails him out. Seeing him sit over on the bench looking like the spoiled kid he acts like at times can't possibly endear him to his teammates. Let them all congratulate him in the dugout and give the pen a clean inning to start with. If they blow it and Folty wants to mope, complain, and throw stuff in the clubhouse where the cameras aren't focused on him that's fine. I'd guess everyone could identify with that.
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If we can't trust Game7 to make decisions, then he shouldn't be the manager. I don't think we need uniforms for pitching changes. If a guy coming off the DL is reaching 100 pitches, then you have a lefty and righty up and ready to start the inning. Let Folty work, but as soon as he got to 1st and 2nd, he should have been pulled. If the FO has to give the manager a decision guide, then why even have a manager. Just post your guide in the dugout and let the players follow it. Game7 is not a good manager. He is probably a good guy to play for... but he just can't think too many steps ahead.. and the game can get away from him quickly.
 
50PoundHead said:
I don't gripe about managers much, but Snitker's handling of Foltynewicz on Saturday night was tragicomical. Folty had given him 7 sterling innings but his pitch count was nudging toward 100. He had done his job. Funny thing (or not so funny) about Snitker's bullpen management is that he is so inconsistent. I think that's the difference between managing in the minors (where the goal is player development) and the majors (where the goal is winning games). Snitker's brain seems to be a ping-pong ball between those two sides of the net.
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At some point Folty has to learn to negotiate the lineup 3+ times and needs to learn how to not crumble mentally when the ump blows a strike call. He just pitched 7 scoreless innings against the Cubs. He is a 24 year old grown man. I don't think he needs to be babied anymore. He needs to be able to throw 100+ pitches. He needs to learn how to become the TOR starter he has the potential to become.

I bet you $1 Verlander never pissed and moaned like that over a blown strike call and let the game unravel.

Putting him through those types of tests when his pitch count is still under 100 during a 100-loss season is exactly the right thing to do. It was evident he lost his composure out there, and he needs to learn how to get it back. If he doesn't learn those things then it doesn't really matter if the Braves "saved his arm" for the future. He will just be another guy with good stuff that never quite figured out the mental side of pitching.
 
Enscheff said:
At some point Folty has to learn to negotiate the lineup 3+ times and needs to learn how to not crumble mentally when the ump blows a strike call. He just pitched 7 scoreless innings against the Cubs. He is a 24 year old grown man. I don't think he needs to be babied anymore. He needs to be able to throw 100+ pitches. He needs to learn how to become the TOR starter he has the potential to become.

I bet you $1 Verlander never pissed and moaned like that over a blown strike call and let the game unravel.

Putting him through those types of tests when his pitch count is still under 100 during a 100-loss season is exactly the right thing to do. It was evident he lost his composure out there, and he needs to learn how to get it back. If he doesn't learn those things then it doesn't really matter if the Braves "saved his arm" for the future. He will just be another guy with good stuff that never quite figured out the mental side of pitching.
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I'm sure Verlander never made $1 bets either.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
If we can't trust Game7 to make decisions, then he shouldn't be the manager. I don't think we need uniforms for pitching changes. If a guy coming off the DL is reaching 100 pitches, then you have a lefty and righty up and ready to start the inning. Let Folty work, but as soon as he got to 1st and 2nd, he should have been pulled. If the FO has to give the manager a decision guide, then why even have a manager. Just post your guide in the dugout and let the players follow it. Game7 is not a good manager. He is probably a good guy to play for... but he just can't think too many steps ahead.. and the game can get away from him quickly.
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This is as comical as most of the gripes about Fredi. The fact that any of us assume Managers (interim or not) are less capable of thinking more steps ahead than we do is a joke. Seriously.

What's your resume look like? Really not trying to pick on you Matt, just making a point in general. Snitker has been in the Braves' organization for 40 years. Does anybody here really expect to be taken seriously when they say they know better than people with resumes like his? I completely understand disagreeing with decisions (lineup/pen makeup/etc.) that they make because someone has a different opinion. I disagreed with his call there just as 50 did, yet continue to be called a blind follower and yes man. That's OK. I'm smart enough to know that I haven't been in those situations and he has - for a LONG time.

We all have opinions, and we also know what those make us at times. I'm willing to bet that EVERY organization in MLB would weight Snit's experience much heavier than our random message board postings. If push came to shove and the Braves felt they could trust me to make decisions instead of Snitker, I'd question their sanity.
 
Enscheff said:
At some point Folty has to learn to negotiate the lineup 3+ times and needs to learn how to not crumble mentally when the ump blows a strike call. He just pitched 7 scoreless innings against the Cubs. He is a 24 year old grown man. I don't think he needs to be babied anymore. He needs to be able to throw 100+ pitches. He needs to learn how to become the TOR starter he has the potential to become.

I bet you $1 Verlander never pissed and moaned like that over a blown strike call and let the game unravel.

Putting him through those types of tests when his pitch count is still under 100 during a 100-loss season is exactly the right thing to do. It was evident he lost his composure out there, and he needs to learn how to get it back. If he doesn't learn those things then it doesn't really matter if the Braves "saved his arm" for the future. He will just be another guy with good stuff that never quite figured out the mental side of pitching.
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This Justin Verlander?

 
Enscheff said:
Can't watch the video for some reason. Did he throw a fit and then give the game away?
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Leyland got tossed first. Verlander threw another pitch and didn't like the call and then lost it - Laird, Fielder, and the Bench Coach had to try to reign him in. They don't show the end of the game, so it's tough to tell without digging further.

Just thought the video was pretty funny since you mentioned him. LOL.
 
50PoundHead said:
Hence my use of the term "better stuff." Julio's going to give up some HRs. He's around the plate a lot and a half an inch can mean the difference between a 300 foot sky ball and a 450 dinger. Radke was a pretty good pitcher for the Twins, but he didn't have Julio's tools. Again, that was covered in my use of the term "better stuff."
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Ok, but I don't find them similar. Julio strikes out 7.9/9, Radke 5.4/9. Julio gives up 7.8/9 hits, Radke 9.7/9. If you're saying they both have good-to-great control and gave/give up dingers, okay...but dingers happen to a lot of guys who pound the zone. I thought of Radke as a limited guy who made the most of meager tools with pinpoint accuracy and Teheran as...well, a stud with a touch of gopheritis.

So I guess I found your comparison curious and it didn't work for me.
 
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