So, Sarah Palin screws up a speech

clearly presented ?

a cover page footnote:

2. For the most recent previous baseline, published in August 2014,
CBO and JCT did not update their detailed estimates of the
coverage provisions of the ACA for any years after 2014, except
for a $600 million decline in outlays relative to the April 2014
baseline for grants to states for operating exchanges over the
2015–2017 period. Therefore, this
appendix compares the current
baseline projections with the detailed projections from April
2014. See Congressional Budget Office, “Updated Estimates of
the Effects of the Insurance Coverage Provisions of the Affordable
Care Act, April 2014” (April 2014),
www.cbo.gov/publication/
45231
, which was released together with Congressional Budget
Office,
Updated Budget Projections: 2014 to 2024
(April 2014),
www.cbo.gov/publication/45229
 
So we've gone from discussing the merits of Obama's non-legislation, to the ACA, to the difficulty of analyzing a CBO report.

When will it end?
 
Anyone have a slop bucket? Hawk is pulverizing Steak Sauce ass all over the place and it is getting messy with his brains splattered all of the place.
 
jpx7 said:
however, it's inane (if not annoying) to argue that he's done absolutely nothing worth earnestly defending.
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no doubt

and if true

i'm not sure why the right keeps thinking he is the worst president ever then
 
The only thing I'll say about Palin is that I know and have worked with Michelle Bachmann when she was a state legislator in Minnesota and we arrogant lobbyists sometimes sit around and play a game called "Smart enough to be evil." The gist of the game is that we analyze certain legislators to try and determine whether or not they have the mental faculties to be malevolent or are they just people whose abilities stop at their lower spinal columns and are simply acting on their instincts with no intention. Michelle Bachmann, crazy statements aside, is an extremely clever person who has the ability to be evil. From my observation of Palin, she is not. One can agree or disagree about Michelle Bachmann's substance, but she has substance and she is an unbelievably effective community organizer and communicator. Palin trained to be a sportscaster (and while I have respect for sportscasters), I have always had the impression that Palin just reads what is on the script.
 
50PoundHead said:
The only thing I'll say about Palin is that I know and have worked with Michelle Bachmann when she was a state legislator in Minnesota and we arrogant lobbyists sometimes sit around and play a game called "Smart enough to be evil." The gist of the game is that we analyze certain legislators to try and determine whether or not they have the mental faculties to be malevolent or are they just people whose abilities stop at their lower spinal columns and are simply acting on their instincts with no intention. Michelle Bachmann, crazy statements aside, is an extremely clever person who has the ability to be evil. From my observation of Palin, she is not. One can agree or disagree about Michelle Bachmann's substance, but she has substance and she is an unbelievably effective community organizer and communicator. Palin trained to be a sportscaster (and while I have respect for sportscasters), I have always had the impression that Palin just reads what is on the script.
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So in other words if you mix the two Republicans you get Barrack Obama (good community organizer and communicator with a teleprompter read script).

Gotcha, nice call.
 
AerchAngel said:
So in other words if you mix the two Republicans you get Barrack Obama (good community organizer and communicator with a teleprompter read script).

Gotcha, nice call.
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I would classify Obama pretty much a republican and at the least a very moderate middle of the road person

so, yeah, he could be the mix of 2 republicans
 
goldfly said:
I would classify Obama pretty much a republican and at the least a very moderate middle of the road person

so, yeah, he could be the mix of 2 republicans
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How seriously can we take this evaluation? Hell, you think you're a libertarian!
 
If Obama were a Republican, zero chance in hell he would have been elected president for a number of reasons.

You could argue he's not that much different in foreign policy from a lot of Republicans, but other than that, he's pretty much straight down the line against what Republicans have been spitting out.
 
VOLracious said:
How seriously can we take this evaluation?
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Not very, seeing as how Republican has been confused with Conservative ... and, well, I think that anybody who has turned on the TV in the past 6 months (especially) would realize Obama is anything BUT conservative.
 
Hawk said:
Not very, seeing as how Republican has been confused with Conservative ... and, well, I think that anybody who has turned on the TV in the past 6 months (especially) would realize Obama is anything BUT conservative.
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OK so Conservatives aren't really Republicans (and vice versa) and Liberals aren't really Democrats (and vice versa) and nobody really knows what the hell "Libertarian" actually means except that they don't want their house under 10 feet of water, is this pretty close??? :confused:
 
Oklahomahawk said:
OK so Conservatives aren't really Republicans (and vice versa) and Liberals aren't really Democrats (and vice versa) and nobody really knows what the hell "Libertarian" actually means except that they don't want their house under 10 feet of water, is this pretty close??? :confused:
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I guarantee that if you ask the average self-proclaimed 'Libertarian' what his/her belief system is comprised of you'll hear a bunch of lip-flapping intermingled with, 'Freedom ... Independence... Small Government'. The especially clueless will make Paulian references to the Gold Standard, Isolationism, and other more contemporary 3rd party obsessions. It's like pick'em politics.

To me, the father of modern Libertarianism was Barry Goldwater, and I think we all know the basis of his theories was (is).

I cringe when people assume that all conservatives are Republican, and all liberals Democrat. It's just ... so American. The parties are constantly malleable in their beliefs, and I don't subscribe to the assumption that most people are, too.
 
Hawk said:
I guarantee that if you ask the average self-proclaimed 'Libertarian' what his/her belief system is comprised of you'll hear a bunch of lip-flapping intermingled with, 'Freedom ... Independence... Small Government'. The especially clueless will make Paulian references to the Gold Standard, Isolationism, and other more contemporary 3rd party obsessions. It's like pick'em politics.

To me, the father of modern Libertarianism was Barry Goldwater, and I think we all know the basis of his theories was (is).

I cringe when people assume that all conservatives are Republican, and all liberals Democrat. It's just ... so American. The parties are constantly malleable in their beliefs, and I don't subscribe to the assumption that most people are, too.
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I think this is an ignorant assessment
 
Hawk said:
Well, you would, considering you are that self-proclaimed 'Libertarian' (est. 2008).
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Not sure why you have the testy responses… did a libertarian kill your dog or something?

What's your biggest issue with libertarian ideology? Or better yet, what's your biggest issue with me - since it appears you don't classify me as a part of that ideology.
 
sturg33 said:
What's your biggest issue with libertarian ideology? Or better yet, what's your biggest issue with me - since it appears you don't classify me as a part of that ideology.
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I don't have any issues at all with Libertarianism.

I have issues with people that claim they are Libertarian because they think it's hip and different and principally detached from mainstream conservatism/liberalism.

Maybe you are not that type of person, but it seems like you cling to several of the chief beliefs that have spawned from the modern Libertarian movement.
 
Hawk said:
I don't have any issues at all with Libertarianism.

I have issues with people that claim they are Libertarian because they think it's hip and different and principally detached from mainstream conservatism/liberalism.

Maybe you are not that type of person, but it seems like you cling to several of the chief beliefs that have spawned from the modern Libertarian movement.
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I don't cling to things because it's hip and cool. That is ridiculous. I used to be the vice chairman of college republicans in college - I campaigned for John McCain, had folks like Tom Delay come speak at our school… and so on and so on.

Then I read a few books. Heard Dr. Paul. What he said made a lot of sense and I realized that much of the Libertarian ideology was actually what I thought the Republican ideology was.

I consider myself pretty darn consistent in my political stances. I'm sure there are better and smarter ways of doing things bu my general core beliefs are:

1. Small government (like - actual small government - get rid of all the agencies that have been created over the last several years and turn the power back to local governments or private companies/individuals)

2. Non-agressive foreign policy (don't start fighting people just because they don't agree with us - it always comes back to bite us… additionally - free trade with everyone and no foreign aid to anybody)

3. Financial freedom (no income taxes, as little government regulation as possible)

4. Personal freedom (do whatever the heck you want as long as you don't hurt anyone else)

If that makes me a hipster than so be it.
 
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