Some Red State/Blue State Indicia

thethe said:
I'm very confused.

We have been told by the person with an impeccable record of being right that SF was still great and there were no issues.

What gives?
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He's also been telling us that we're whining because the Sussman case didn't go our way despite the fact that we have evidence that he did lie.
 
nsacpi said:
First welcome back thethe.

Second I take it you refer to me.

Third is there a particular post you would like me to defend. I'm pretty sure I've never said San Francisco has no issues. But it is a pretty cool (being a little punny there) place.

Fourth, I enjoyed my trip to San Francisco a couple months ago and recommend it as a destination.
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First - Thank you. Breaks are a good thing.

Second - Correct

Third - You know I speak in exaggeration. The overall tone of your posting on this subject is that the problems are way overblown.

Fourth - SF is beautiful and loved my trip there in late 2019 as well. Thats why what has happened is so tragic.
 
Garmel said:
He's also been telling us that we're whining because the Sussman case didn't go our way despite the fact that we have evidence that he did lie.
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He knows - He just can't give up the schtick. Its all a production.
 
nsacpi said:
San Francisco has had a dysfunctional school board and city council for a very long time. For decades. It has had a big homeless population for decades. A big population of teenage runaways for decades. Insanely restrictive permitting processes for new housing for decades. And it's population grew throughout that time because of its charms and the growth spawned by Silicon Valley. So it will have to figure out how to reinvent itself after the pandemic and widespread adoption of working from home practices. Perhaps it will conclude that a smaller population works better for it.
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Maybe this post from May 29 will refresh the memories of any posters thinking I've claimed San Francisco "has no issues."

It goes without saying that it is an act of great generosity on my part to allow for the possibility that such posters are merely having memory problems rather than engaging in bad faith posting.
 
nsacpi said:
Maybe this post from May 29 will refresh the memories of any posters thinking I've claimed San Francisco "has no issues."

Of course, it is an act of great generosity on my part to allow for the possibility that such posters are merely having memory problems rather than engaging in bad faith posting.
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I mean - As usual you're years late to the party and focus on the wrong issues.

SF has been destroyed by an intentional process launched by Soros. All of his plants that seek to destabilize our great cities will be removed.
 
thethe said:
I mean - As usual you're years late to the party and focus on the wrong issues.

SF has been destroyed by an intentional process launched by Soros. All of his plants that seek to destabilize our great cities will be removed.
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We've been arguing with this buffoon for quite some time about this... he insists on living in the past. SF used to be great. NYC used to be great. California used to be great.

But looking at the trends... they have peaked
 
sturg33 said:
We've been arguing with this buffoon for quite some time about this... he insists on living in the past. SF used to be great. NYC used to be great. California used to be great.

But looking at the trends... they have peaked
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Those places could become great again in a matter of months.

I'm praying for Giuliani to win. NYC would get all of its population back and more.

Still a tremendous place to live but those in power do not want to protect their constituency.
 
How anyone could have voted for Chesa is beyond me. His parents were scum. His adopted parents were scum. He is in the same vein. Disgusting communists that deserve nothing but condemnation from the world.
 
The two of you might learn something if you go back and look at who backed Chesa Boudin and who opposed him back in 2019.

For me it brings back memories of a Berkeley city council race I was slightly involved in a dozen years earlier. The candidate I favored was well to the left by any standard. But the incumbent he was trying to unseat was in an entirely different solar system. Anyhow such are the politics of certain communities in Northern California.

I hope the people of San Francisco remember the hard lessons learned from electing Chesa Boudin.
 
nsacpi said:
The two of you might learn something if you go back and look at who backed Chesa Boudin and who opposed him back in 2019.

For me it brings back memories of a Berkeley city council race I was slightly involved in a dozen years earlier. The candidate I favored was well to the left by any standard. But the incumbent he was trying to unseat was in an entirely different solar system. Anyhow such are the politics of certain communities in Northern California.

I hope the people of San Francisco remember the hard lessons learned from electing Chesa Boudin.
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Its going to take decades to re-educate the people that have similar ideological leanings to those in northern California.

A mind virus has infected the country....intentionally.
 
It wouldn't be a bad thing if Boudin became the poster child of the damage that can be done by adopting the policies of the left wing of the Democratic Party and electing people from that wing. It is worth noting that his biggest endorser in 2019 was none other than Bernie Sanders. Caveat emptor.
 
nsacpi said:
It wouldn't be a bad thing if Boudin became the poster child of the damage that can be done by adopting the policies of the left wing of the Democratic Party and electing people from that wing. It is worth noting that his biggest endorser was none other than Bernie Sanders.
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Every Soros DA will be that and you know it.

Been telling you for almost a decade.
 
thethe said:
How anyone could have voted for Chesa is beyond me. His parents were scum. His adopted parents were scum. He is in the same vein. Disgusting communists that deserve nothing but condemnation from the world.
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Having FOUR terrorist parents is kind of a lot…
 
acesfull86 said:
Having FOUR terrorist parents is kind of a lot…
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I try not to give people too much credit for their parents. But running multiple companies, including casinos, into the ground. That takes a special sort of talent and skill, and is definitely a sign of being well qualified for public office.
 
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sturg33 said:
San Francisco is a ****hole
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I went to Berkeley and spent 7 years living in the Bay Area. I had issues with the Bay Area but otherwise really like the area in a general sense.

But I could not agree with you more about San Francisco. I have heard it was a magical place before the tech takeover though.
 
Intentional Homicide Rates (2011–2020)[1][2]
Murder Rates
(per 100,000 people)
2020 2020 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 2014 2013 2012 2011


Louisiana 734 15.8 11.7 11.4 12.3 11.8 10.3 10.2 10.8 10.6 11.2
Missouri 723 11.8 9.4 9.8 9.8 8.8 8.3 6.7 6.1 6.5 6.1
Mississippi 315 10.6 10.0 7.2 6.4 7.9 8.7 8.7 6.5 7.1 8.0
Arkansas 321 10.6 7.8 7.4 8.3 7.3 6.1 5.9 5.4 5.9 5.5
South Carolina 549 10.5 8.8 8.1 7.6 7.2 8.1 6.7 6.2 7.0 6.8
Alabama 471 9.6 7.9 7.8 8.6 8.4 7.2 5.7 7.2 7.1 6.3
Tennessee 663 9.6 7.5 7.5 8.0 7.4 6.2 5.6 5.0 6.2 5.8
Illinois 1,151 9.1 6.7 7.1 7.7 8.3 5.8 5.4 5.5 6.0 5.6
Maryland 553 9.1 9.0 8.1 9.3 8.9 8.6 6.1 6.4 6.3 6.8
Georgia 943 8.8 5.7 6.2 6.5 6.6 6.0 6.0 5.6 5.9 5.6
North Carolina 852 8.0 6.2 5.5 6.1 6.7 5.1 5.0 4.8 4.9 5.3
Pennsylvania 1,009 7.9 5.3 6.1 5.8 5.3 5.1 4.8 4.7 5.5 5.0
New Mexico 164 7.8 8.8 7.3 6.9 6.7 5.6 4.8 6.0 5.6 7.5
Michigan 754 7.6 5.8 5.6 5.7 6.2 5.8 5.5 6.4 7.1 6.2
Indiana 505 7.5 5.5 6.2 6.2 6.5 5.6 5.0 5.4 4.7 4.8
Delaware 73 7.4 4.8 4.8 5.3 6.1 6.7 5.3 4.2 6.1 4.7
Oklahoma 296 7.4 6.9 5.5 6.2 6.3 6.0 4.6 5.1 5.8 5.5
Kentucky 323 7.2 5.1 5.6 5.9 6.0 4.7 3.7 3.8 4.6 3.5
Ohio 820 7.0 5.0 5.1 6.4 5.9 4.3 4.0 3.9 4.1 4.4
Arizona 513 6.9 5.4 5.4 6.0 5.6 4.5 4.6 5.4 5.5 6.2
Alaska 49 6.7 9.4 6.4 8.4 7.0 8.0 5.6 4.6 4.1 4.0
West Virginia 117 6.6 5.6 4.2 5.4 4.6 3.8 4.5 3.3 3.8 4.3
Texas 1,931 6.6 4.9 4.6 5.0 5.3 4.8 4.4 4.3 4.4 4.4
Virginia 524 6.1 5.2 4.9 5.6 5.7 4.6 4.2 3.8 3.9 3.7
Florida 1,290 5.9 5.2 5.2 5.0 5.4 5.1 4.9 5.0 5.2 5.2
Nevada 180 5.7 4.7 6.7 8.9 7.8 6.2 6.0 5.8 4.5 5.2
California 2,203 5.6 4.3 4.4 4.6 4.9 4.8 4.4 4.6 5.0 4.8
Wisconsin 308 5.3 3.2 3.0 3.3 4.0 4.2 2.8 2.8 3.0 2.4
Colorado 294 5.1 4.0 3.8 4.0 3.4 3.2 2.8 3.4 2.9 2.9
Montana 54 5.0 3.0 3.5 3.9 3.6 3.5 3.7 2.2 2.9 2.8
South Dakota 40 4.5 1.8 1.4 3.1 3.2 3.7 2.7 2.4 2.8 2.5
New York 808 4.2 2.9 2.9 2.8 3.2 3.1 3.1 3.3 3.5 4.0
North Dakota 32 4.2 3.3 2.4 1.3 2.1 2.8 3.1 2.2 3.6 3.5
Connecticut 140 3.9 3.0 2.4 2.9 2.2 3.3 2.5 2.4 3.3 3.6
Washington 301 3.9 2.7 3.1 3.0 2.9 2.5 2.3 3.1 2.4 2.3
New Jersey 329 3.7 3.0 3.2 3.6 4.2 4.1 3.9 4.5 4.4 4.3
Nebraska 69 3.6 2.3 2.3 2.2 2.6 3.3 2.8 3.1 2.8 3.6
Iowa 111 3.5 2.2 2.2 3.1 2.3 2.3 1.9 1.4 1.6 1.5
Kansas 100 3.4 3.3 4.2 4.6 4.5 4.4 3.2 3.9 2.9 3.8
Minnesota 190 3.4 2.3 1.9 2.0 1.8 2.4 1.6 2.1 1.8 1.4
Utah 102 3.1 2.1 2.0 2.4 2.4 1.8 2.2 1.7 1.8 1.9
Wyoming 18 3.1 2.2 2.4 2.4 3.4 2.7 2.7 2.9 2.4 3.2
Rhode Island 32 3.0 2.5 1.5 2.0 2.7 2.7 2.5 2.9 3.4 1.3
Hawaii 41 2.9 2.6 2.8 2.7 2.4 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.5 1.2
Oregon 125 2.9 2.8 2.1 2.5 2.8 2.5 2.1 2.0 2.3 2.1
Massachusetts 160 2.3 2.2 2.0 2.5 2.0 1.9 2.0 2.0 1.8 2.8
Vermont 14 2.2 1.8 1.8 2.7 2.2 1.6 1.6 1.6 1.3 1.3
Idaho 41 2.2 1.6 1.9 2.4 2.9 1.9 2.0 1.7 1.9 2.3
Maine 22 1.6 1.6 1.7 1.7 1.5 1.7 1.6 1.8 2.0 2.0
New Hampshire 12 0.9 2.4 1.6 1.0 1.4 1.1 1.2 1.7 1.1 1.3
United States 22,099 6.6 5.2 5.1 5.4 5.5 4.9 4.4 4.5 4.7 4.7

apologies for the formatting...first number is number of murder victims in 2020 then the next ten are murder rates per 100,000 population for the past 10 years

some interesting data to chew on
 
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