Spring Training Gamethread/Discussion

zbhargrove said:
Its crazy to think of Teheran and Wood as our temporary 1 and 2... they have that potential, but its a bit scary you have to rely on such young guys this early... obviously we have a lot of experience getting back from injury soon, but still. I just hope Minor's shoulder issues doesn't turn into something more.
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Not to mention Hale. He's almost in the rotation by default. 2 starts in Sept, that's it. Fortunately If MInor and Floyd are both good to go in May we can get both Garcia and Hale out of the rotation then.
 
stpeteirish said:
Not to mention Hale. He's almost in the rotation by default. 2 starts in Sept, that's it. Fortunately If MInor and Floyd are both good to go in May we can get both Garcia and Hale out of the rotation then.
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I think you'll find Fredi & friends will keep Garcia over Wood (IF Floyd returns). At least for a few months.
 
Dalyn said:
Can you imagine the rotation if we hadn't signed Santana? And people thought we were fine. :happy0157:
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I was always nervous about Beachy... but the Medlen thing completely took me by surprise. Worried about Minor's shoulder. With this organization, you just never know how truly bad an injury is.

And people can say all they want about Hale... nothing about his college or professional career makes me think he can be anything more than a spot starter/AAAA player. People just run with two good September starts and think he's the next staple of our rotation. There are a lot of people who are going to be upset when that doesn't come anywhere close to being his norm.
 
zbhargrove said:
I was always nervous about Beachy... but the Medlen thing completely took me by surprise. Worried about Minor's shoulder. With this organization, you just never know how truly bad an injury is.
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I agree. I was more worried about Teheran than Medlen. Wasn't worried about Wood because I figured we were going to find a way to limit his innings. Not positive now, especially since the answer involves pitching Garcia for the year. It is a tough position to be in, depending so much on Teheran and Wood. Just hope Santana has a career year and pitches 220 or so innings.

And obviously Minor's injury is worse than they initially made it seem. He went from starting a week late in ST to missing at least half of April (and he STILL hasn't made a start). Not good.
 
zbhargrove said:
And people can say all they want about Hale... nothing about his college or professional career makes me think he can be anything more than a spot starter/AAAA player. People just run with two good September starts and think he's the next staple of our rotation. There are a lot of people who are going to be upset when that doesn't come anywhere close to being his norm.
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Look at what people did with Garcia over only four starts. At least Hale has youth and potential on his side. I would much rather have him than Garcia.
 
zbhargrove said:
I was always nervous about Beachy... but the Medlen thing completely took me by surprise. Worried about Minor's shoulder. With this organization, you just never know how truly bad an injury is.

And people can say all they want about Hale... nothing about his college or professional career makes me think he can be anything more than a spot starter/AAAA player. People just run with two good September starts and think he's the next staple of our rotation. There are a lot of people who are going to be upset when that doesn't come anywhere close to being his norm.
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Didn't people say the same thing about Beachy when he did the exact same thing in September of 2010? Turned out that it wasn't a fluke and that Beachy was the real deal. You can't sit here and say that Hale isn't capable of doing the same thing. I'm not saying one way or the other because I don't know but I'm not going to act like I know definite either way.
 
AUTiger7222 said:
Didn't people say the same thing about Beachy when he did the exact same thing in September of 2010? Turned out that it wasn't a fluke and that Beachy was the real deal. You can't sit here and say that Hale isn't capable of doing the same thing. I'm not saying one way or the other because I don't know but I'm not going to act like I know definite either way.
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Not a very good comparison. Beachy had much better minor league numbers. Basically, your argument is only saying that anyone who has been mediocre to bad their whole career can excel in the majors... okay, but the odds aren't very good.

Hale minor league stats:
25-28, 3.68 ERA, 368 K, 182 BB, 472 innings

Beachy minor league stats:
15-8, 2.58 ERA, 269 K, 71 BB, 254 innings

The quality is not even close... terrible comparison. I can't say he isn't capable of doing the same thing, but I can gaurantee its not likely. How are you going to tell me Hale is going to be a successful MLB pitcher based on TWO starts, a mediocre spring and a mediocre to bad rest of his career? There's optimism and there is blind hope.

The only reason Beachy surprised everyone was because he only started pitching his last year of college. He was far from any kind of surprise the year he came up if you paid attention to the organization and scouts.
 
Dalyn said:
Look at what people did with Garcia over only four starts. At least Hale has youth and potential on his side. I would much rather have him than Garcia.
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Youth, potential, and ground-ball tendencies.
 
Dalyn said:
Look at what people did with Garcia over only four starts. At least Hale has youth and potential on his side. I would much rather have him than Garcia.
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I agree with that... anyone but Garcia, including Hale. But some on here are thinking Hale is going to be a ton better than is realistic.
 
Dalyn said:
Uh-huh. :facepalm:
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We had three starters go down and two won't throw a meaningful pitch this year for Atl. We were fine until everyone's arm fell off. Literally before they threw a pitch in a real game. The Yankees and all their infinite money can't stash quality depth at aaa.

It's a freak occurrence .
 
Tapate50 said:
We had three starters go down and two won't throw a meaningful pitch this year for Atl. We were fine until everyone's arm fell off. Literally before they threw a pitch in a real game. The Yankees and all their infinite money can't stash quality depth at aaa.

It's a freak occurrence .
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We have a net loss of one pitcher, and we are looking at having Garcia in the rotation all year (if we want to protect Wood). That's AFTER adding Santana and IF Floyd comes back. We were not fine, and we still could be in some trouble if Floyd can't make it back.
 
There was no way you could have predicted what happened to Medlen/Minor. Even if you throw Beachy out completely you still had a solid rotation with excellent depth.
 
Dalyn said:
We have a net loss of one pitcher, and we are looking at having Garcia in the rotation all year (if we want to protect Wood). That's AFTER adding Santana and IF Floyd comes back. We were not fine, and we still could be in some trouble if Floyd can't make it back.
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Huh? Garcia will not be in the rotation all year. We won't be using 6 starters all year.
Minor
Teheran
Santana
Wood
Floyd

is what our rotation should look like in mid-season form. That is a totally fine, very good rotation. How many good pitchers did you want? We weren't going to sign a guy to big money to be our #5.
 
yeezus said:
Huh? Garcia will not be in the rotation all year. We won't be using 6 starters all year.
Minor
Teheran
Santana
Wood
Floyd

is what our rotation should look like in mid-season form. That is a totally fine, very good rotation. How many good pitchers did you want? We weren't going to sign a guy to big money to be our #5.
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Read what I said again.
 
thethe said:
There was no way you could have predicted what happened to Medlen/Minor. Even if you throw Beachy out completely you still had a solid rotation with excellent depth.
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I'm not going to have this discussion again. You don't have to predict injuries to any specific pitcher, just injuries in general and those are easy to predict (if you aren't hopelessly optimistic).
 
Listen people, we can't win anything unless we have players who were studs last year. I think there is some rule that says you are disqualified from the playoffs if you don't have atleast 3 starters who went 200 innings the previous year. Lets just give up and accept that our players were not good enough in the past to compete in the future. I think you get like 5 extra wins per starter that went 200 innings the previous year. What we needs to is trade some of our young players for some old players who were good last year. Because we all know baseball is predictable and players never randomly get better/worse/injured. Last year we started the year with an oldman Hudson, Minor coming off 4+ ERA, Teheran coming off a 5+ ER in his second season in AAA, Medlen, and Maholm. I would say that's a worse situation than we have now.

Dalyn, serious question, are you Brian Cashman or any other member of the yankees front office?
 
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