chipchildress
Awaiting a Promotion
i'd trade the **** out of heyward to the GM that overvalues WAR the most.
Starting over...who are the untouchables?
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Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Don't even joke about that.
You can't look at that in current dollars. GMs of small and mid-market teams don't have the luxury of budgeting from one year to the next.
Wren rolled the dice on Freeman/Teheran/Simmons/Kimbrel as the "cornerstones". Their salaries increase substantially with each passing year. A mid-market franchise with $28 million of dead money (Uggla and B.J.) on the 2015 books can't possibly commit another $35-$40 million to Heyward and J-Up given the lack of inexpensive IMPACT pitching we currently face. If you extend either of them at this point, Santana leaves and your #3 SP is David Hale. If this season is what you should reasonably expect out of the 4 guys you're already committed to going forward, you're going nowhere by giving Santana's money to Justin and Uggla's money to Heyward. For the first time in a LONG time, we have no impact SPs on the horizon - they're already in Atlanta.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Trying to budget year-to-year when you can't absorb "bad contracts" is exactly what got Wren fired.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I'm pretty sure you'll see the opposite happen. Teams only valuing Heyward on his offense when his defense si sooo valuable.
Hudson2
Well-known member
Teheran, Wood, and Freeman and that's it. I love Heyward and J UP but whoever turns down an extension first gets the boot. CJ and BJ would be my first order of business as GM to get rid of. It'll be challenging and we may have to package a good player with BJ to do it but it has to happen. We have to many weak holes in our lineup. BJ, Bethancourt, and Simmons all in the same lineup is death to the offense.
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
I will ****ing murder someone.
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
So? This team needs offense. It doesn't need to get rid of its best players. We should be able to contend next year, we don't need to rebuild.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
I think it makes a lot of sense. The yankees need a right handed power hitter in a bad way and they are short on tradeable talent. BJ is owed too much money for only 1 season of Justin to make up for. It would be 62 million for 1 year of Justin. I think Justin will re-sign if given a big offer. He already did once with the Dbags. That still doesn't make up for all of BJ'S salary so we take back Prado and his 11 million. To give us more payroll flexibility we could pay 5 mill each year of BJ'S contract instead of Prado ' s whole salary. That would be a 24 million savings in 2014 and we get a great super utility player.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
No one is untouchable. But one of the basic principles is you trade from areas of surplus for areas of need.
The main area of need this off-season is starting pitching.
Our main area of surplus in terms of major league ready players is catcher. We only need one. Two is a luxury. If both Gattis and Bethancourt are good enough to be major league regulars, having one as a backup represents under-utilization of a valuable resource.
The main area of need this off-season is starting pitching.
Our main area of surplus in terms of major league ready players is catcher. We only need one. Two is a luxury. If both Gattis and Bethancourt are good enough to be major league regulars, having one as a backup represents under-utilization of a valuable resource.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Hey, I like Prado but I'm not advocating his return. I value Dalyn's life and sanity far more than I do Martin Prado's presence in Atlanta.
You're right about the Yanks though. Thick wallet, but what an ugly-looking roster.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Wood and Teheran are more valuable than Kimbrell, both in absolute terms and relative to salary.
FEARLESS PREDICTION. If we trade Hayward, we will regret it big time. At the level he has been the past few years he is a really good player and an important part of the lineup. When he turns the corner, and I believe he will, he is a top 10 player in baseball... not to mention a fan favorite.
Trading him would be invoking the wrath of the baseball gods.
Trading him would be invoking the wrath of the baseball gods.
UNCBlue012
Well-known member
I will be livid if Jason Heyward is traded. That could be the biggest mistake the Braves could make in a long time. They need to pay the guy his money and keep him. I know some of you guys undervalue the guy because of his offense; but he's worth it and I completely stand by that.
The "untouchables" in my book:
1. Freddie
2. Heyward
3. Teheran
4. Wood
There's a good chance I'm in the minority here, but I'm not opposed to trades involving B-Court and Simba. I love them both, but defense isn't really what this team needs the most right now, it's offense. Simmons' bat could come around, but he's killing us right now and I think Gattis' is not only an incredible bat but he's way too important to this team to just trade. If we do trade him, I expect a large amount back
The "untouchables" in my book:
1. Freddie
2. Heyward
3. Teheran
4. Wood
There's a good chance I'm in the minority here, but I'm not opposed to trades involving B-Court and Simba. I love them both, but defense isn't really what this team needs the most right now, it's offense. Simmons' bat could come around, but he's killing us right now and I think Gattis' is not only an incredible bat but he's way too important to this team to just trade. If we do trade him, I expect a large amount back
57Brave
Well-known member
Good point - let me add, if Simba were traded the pitchers would show up at the new GM's office with pitchforks tar,feathers and a rail.
Ozzie Smith was traded from San Diego because it was thought he couldn't hit. For Gary Templeton who could hit and wasnt a bad SS either. But I'd bet everyone who posts here knows who Ozzie isd. Some see the name Gay Templeton for the first time. Simba is more player than Ozzie. Or let me rephrase, I'd be surprised if at the end of Simba's career he isn't considered more player.
Ozzie Smith was the real ****
This team has a horrid offense, so Gattis can not be traded away and replaced by CB unless the OF and 3B are BOTH fixed offensively. The team can live with a black hole at SS since Simmons is so good defensively, but if there is also a black hole at C then the 3rd OFer and whoever plays 3B must be able to produce.
There are probably enough resources available to bring in an average OFer and a legit middle of the rotation SP without trading either CB or Gattis, and enough talent currently in the organization to cobble together an answer at 2B and 3B. I would give CB one more year of development (either in AAA or as the primary backup to keep Gattis well rested), and then trade Gattis to the AL next offseason when he hits his first year of arb.
Seriously? Exactly 1 MLB player has hit 40 this year, and you want to judge a player's worth by that plateau? Freeman is going to play every single game this year with an .850 OPS. His worst month this season produced a .729 OPS, and the only other month he fell below .800 was this month at .787.
Freeman is far and away the most consistent offensive force on the roster, and it would be beyond absurd to trade him away.