- STARTS TODAY AT 7PM - 2016 June Amateur Draft Discussion

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bravos4evr said:
I agree, and hopefully one of the two will be there at #3. I doubt we will end up too pissed about that pick, I am more interested on our 40/44 double up. If we land Groome at 3, we could nab two high ceiling bats at those two spots and be in good shape. If we land Lewis at 3, then a prep arm and a bat come into play.... IMO , it all hinges on #3. (of course, if Groome and Lewis to the Phils and Reds, it really only leaves Pint or Puk as I doubt the Braves take a chance on Moniak or Rutheford there, which once again leaves bats to be the object at 40/44)
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Groome at #3 (which I'm not against) would likely soak up the whole slot value assigned for that pick, which I think would greatly limit creativity at #40 and #44. That means to go with an above slot signing at #40 and #44, you'd have to get your savings later, which is harder to do because the amounts of money assigned to slots diminishes as the draft goes on. You'd have to take guys in the third and fourth rounds who would basically sign for peanuts.
 
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea behind going with Josh Lowe at 3 and arranging deals with Will Benson and Carter Kieboom at 40 and 44.
 
KB21 said:
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea behind going with Josh Lowe at 3 and arranging deals with Will Benson and Carter Kieboom at 40 and 44.
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I understand the thought process; but honestly I strongly disagree with it.

I don't understand why we need to get so cute; we are picking #3, just grab an elite guy at #3 like Groome and see who falls.

If you want you can still have some flexibility to take one over slot guy at #40 while going way underslot at #44.

I would LOVE Groome or Lewis at #3.
 
Preacher said:
I understand the thought process; but honestly I strongly disagree with it.

I don't understand why we need to get so cute; we are picking #3, just grab an elite guy at #3 like Groome and see who falls.

If you want you can still have some flexibility to take one over slot guy at #40 while going way underslot at #44.

I would LOVE Groome or Lewis at #3.
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I agree. don't under value #3 just to over value #40 and #44. I am still ok with trying to over value #40.. but like you said, try to under slot #3 by just a little and take some from #44 to get another good pick. Time is running out, but I still think the Braves are trying to get another comp pick any way possible.
 
Preacher said:
I understand the thought process; but honestly I strongly disagree with it.

I don't understand why we need to get so cute; we are picking #3, just grab an elite guy at #3 like Groome and see who falls.

If you want you can still have some flexibility to take one over slot guy at #40 while going way underslot at #44.

I would LOVE Groome or Lewis at #3.
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I would agree in a sense. If the Braves feel Groome is an elite guy with the make up they look for, then take him. I think it is possible that they may see Lowe as an elite guy as well though. Honestly, if we are talking about Mickey Moniak being a potential pick at 3, then why not Josh Lowe?
 
KB21 said:
I would agree in a sense. If the Braves feel Groome is an elite guy with the make up they look for, then take him. I think it is possible that they may see Lowe as an elite guy as well though. Honestly, if we are talking about Mickey Moniak being a potential pick at 3, then why not Josh Lowe?
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I think the idea with Moriak is that he has shot to the head of the high school class in terms of hitting tools. That doesn't mean you take him at #3, but I think that would be the rationale for taking him over Lowe unless you can net big savings with Lowe. It's tricky business because a team doesn't know who is going to be there at #40 and #44. I get the idea of wanting the best "pool" of overall talent with those three picks instead of staying strictly with slot, but it would be a gamble to pass on someone like Groome in the hopes that the guys you covet will be there at #40 and #44.
 
If we get Groome we likely have 3 of the top 10 LH prospects in baseball. Now I know the idea is to win major league games, not organizational rankings contests, but that would still be very impressive.
 
I will be dissapointed of we pass on Groome. It's not often you run across a 6'6 lefty with good command and velocity at that age. He is one of the youngest prospects in he draft and he should move quickly through the low minors. Would love to pair him with Allard and Soroka.
 
I don't want Lowe at 3. To me, that takes away from the value of having the #3 pick. And what if the Padres or Reds like Benson and just take him before we have the chance to?
 
smootness said:
I don't want Lowe at 3. To me, that takes away from the value of having the #3 pick. And what if the Padres or Reds like Benson and just take him before we have the chance to?
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Yeah, we've talked this to death but this isn't a year to float guys down. Taking Lowe at 3 would be a disaster.
 
it seems about 80% sure one of Lewis or Groome will be there at #3. I can't see the Braves passing on either. The fun question will be what if both are there at #3..

I am sure Groome has more upside, but Lewis fills a huge organizational need. And he also can be used to over slot other picks. But I still think it is hard to pass on a guy like Groome.

after #3, you do your best to get the most out of what you have. Maybe cut a deal to over slot a guy at #40.. have a back up plan in case Reds steal your guy. I don't see the Friars being a scare since they have back to back in the early 20's and their 1st pick is at #8 with only 3.6 million in slot. Just can't see them taking someone much less than 3.6 at #8 just to get good value at #24, then burning the #25 pick.. I can't see the math working out for them.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
it seems about 80% sure one of Lewis or Groome will be there at #3. I can't see the Braves passing on either. The fun question will be what if both are there at #3..

I am sure Groome has more upside, but Lewis fills a huge organizational need. And he also can be used to over slot other picks. But I still think it is hard to pass on a guy like Groome.

after #3, you do your best to get the most out of what you have. Maybe cut a deal to over slot a guy at #40.. have a back up plan in case Reds steal your guy. I don't see the Friars being a scare since they have back to back in the early 20's and their 1st pick is at #8 with only 3.6 million in slot. Just can't see them taking someone much less than 3.6 at #8 just to get good value at #24, then burning the #25 pick.. I can't see the math working out for them.
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Groome vs Lewis would be a hard choice. I would have to take Lewis and the flexibility his lower bonus value will give for later rounds. I seriously doubt they will both be available at 3 though.

Absolute ideal draft would be Lewis at 3, and then a couple over slot HS guys at 40 and 44. If the Braves come away with Lewis, Kaboom and a top-25 HS arm that slipped due to sign-ability issues, I would be ecstatic.
 
Enscheff said:
Groome vs Lewis would be a hard choice. I would have to take Lewis and the flexibility his lower bonus value will give for later rounds. I seriously doubt they will both be available at 3 though.

Absolute ideal draft would be Lewis at 3, and then a couple over slot HS guys at 40 and 44. If the Braves come away with Lewis, Kaboom and a top-25 HS arm that slipped due to sign-ability issues, I would be ecstatic.
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Kaboom is just a good nick name..

I waiver from day to day as who I like at #3.. several mocks say that they both will.. and others that say neither will be there.. so who knows..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Kaboom is just a good nick name..

I waiver from day to day as who I like at #3.. several mocks say that they both will.. and others that say neither will be there.. so who knows..
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As long as it's either of those two, I'm thrilled. We either get the big RH power bat we desperately need, a guy with a huge ceiling....or we stack our minor-league pitching to unbelievable levels.
 
smootness said:
They've apparently said a lot of things.
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IMO, actions speak louder than words. If you look at the make up of the scouting department, you see guys like Roy Clark and Brian Bridges running the show. These guys are Bill Wight and Paul Snyder protégés. In last year's draft, they focused on high school talent early and arms. I looked at the drafts under Snyder and Clark to see how they split the picks among pitchers and bats, and it was about 65% towards pitching. Last year, they hit pitching hard.

It is their philosophy though that if a bat and an arm are rated equally, take the arm.

So, with that said, I would definitely say Jason Groome and Riley Pint are likely picks at 3. Kyle Lewis is interesting because he is one of the few college bats you see that still has plenty of upside, and that upside might be what sways them toward taking him. Right now though, if I were a betting man, I'd bet they will go with Groome or Pint. In fact, they were at the game where Groome struck out 14 the other day.
 
I've heard that Lewis is #1 for us, I've heard we like Groome, I've heard we like Pint more than Groome, I've heard we're looking at Ray, I've heard we're definitely not taking Ray...I have absolutely no idea what we're going to do. Just hope it's Lewis or Groome.
 
The last time the Braves had a pick this high, they took Mike Kelly out of Arizona State. I'm not sure why he flamed out, because that dude was a monster at Arizona State.
 
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