The Biden Presidency

Krgrecw said:
I’ve never understood third party voting on the presidential ticket. You know, the person isn’t going to win. Why not just vote for the side you agree with most often? This is the real world. Wasting votes in the presidential election does have consequences. Yes, you can put your head on your pillow and tell yourself that you didn’t vote for either of these guys, but eventually whomever wins will try to enact their policies.
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Playing the long game.
 
Maybe the two major parties should stop grumping about 3rd parties spoiling the election for their side and do more to modify their stances to court those voters? No candidate is entitled to anyone’s vote.
 
acesfull86 said:
Playing the long game.
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We’re all wired differently. I just can’t grasp the concept that you may agree more (or even a lot more) with one side more so than the other, but you wouldn’t vote for them when it really matters? Your 401k just got obliterated, and you’d let that happen again?
 
In twenty years there will be three parties.

1. MAGA
2. Crazy Left
3. Neo Con/Lib Globalist alliance that will seek to drop bombs everywhere they can while robbing the worlds middle class of all its wealth and future prospects
 
There’s no such thing as a 3rd party candidate “causing” a major party candidate to win or lose.

There are plenty of potential voters who generally sit out elections who could be persuaded show up and vote for a good candidate. There are plenty of independent voters who are up for grabs every election cycle (often they’re a majority). There are plenty of (R)’s or (D)’s who can be swayed to vote for the other side if they run a really good candidate, or the conditions are ripe for defection.

Blaming losses on a 3rd party are a lame cop out by crappy candidates who apparently think they were entitled to all the votes that went to that 3rd party.
 
Problem is that independents pull from primarily conservative libertarian voting base and not the crazy left. But if you’re happy giving the crazy left more power then more power to you.

Libertarians are about as useless a political movement as it gets.
 
thethe said:
Problem is that independents pull from primarily conservative libertarian voting base and not the crazy left. But if you’re happy giving the crazy left more power then more power to you.

Libertarians are about as useless a political movement as it gets.
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Libertarians have been warning about all the things you decry today for decades
 
sturg33 said:
Libertarians have been warning about all the things you decry today for decades
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Libertarians live in a world that doesn’t exist. That’s my biggest issue with them. It’s a useless ideology because it would never work in the real world.
 
Tell me how sending all of our manufacturing to communist dictators is a good idea.

Tell me how allowing our childrens minds to be warped by radicals is something we should ignore.
 
thethe said:
Problem is that independents pull from primarily conservative libertarian voting base and not the crazy left. But if you’re happy giving the crazy left more power then more power to you.

Libertarians are about as useless a political movement as it gets.
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I wish there were as many libertarians as you think there are.

Let’s say the country is roughly 30% R, 30% D, and 40% independent. The final tally of an election is 49% D, 47% R and 4% L. Yes, the L vote covered the spread and if every L vote instead went for R, that candidate would have won, but assuming the D and R all voted party line, 47-48% of the independent vote broke for the D candidate, while only 10% went for the L candidate. We place all the blame at the feet of the L voters, incorrectly assuming they all would/should have voted for R, and none at the feet of the significantly larger bloc of independents who found D more appealing. Those voters were up for grabs and the R didn’t do enough to get them. That’s 100% on R.
 
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acesfull86 said:
I wish there were as many libertarians as you think there are.

Let’s say the country is roughly 30% R, 30% D, and 40% independent. The final tally of an election is 49% D, 47% R and 4% L. Yes, the L vote covered the spread and if every L vote instead went for R, that candidate would have won, but assuming the D and R all voted party line, 47-48% of the independent vote broke for the D candidate, while only 4% went for the L candidate. We place all the blame at the feet of the L voters, incorrectly assuming they all would/should have voted for R, and none at the feet of the significantly larger bloc of independents who found D more appealing. Those voters were up for grabs and the R didn’t do enough to get them. That’s 100% on R.
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Parties have to play to the majority of their base (same reason Braves moved out of ATL). It is how it is - R's can't cater to all of the L's needs because they risk losing the energy of their base on certain issues.

I've always said in a perfect world we should all be Libertarian - especially those of us that have made great success in our own lives. But that isn't the world we live in and effectively the L's play spoiler for the R's.
 
acesfull86 said:
I wish there were as many libertarians as you think there are.

Let’s say the country is roughly 30% R, 30% D, and 40% independent. The final tally of an election is 49% D, 47% R and 4% L. Yes, the L vote covered the spread and if every L vote instead went for R, that candidate would have won, but assuming the D and R all voted party line, 47-48% of the independent vote broke for the D candidate, while only 4% went for the L candidate. We place all the blame at the feet of the L voters, incorrectly assuming they all would/should have voted for R, and none at the feet of the significantly larger bloc of independents who found D more appealing. Those voters were up for grabs and the R didn’t do enough to get them. That’s 100% on R.
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Everyones a libertarian when it comes to themselves. We will never know what percent of people would actually vote Libertarian unless we have ranked choice voting.
 
thethe said:
Libertarians live in a world that doesn’t exist. That’s my biggest issue with them. It’s a useless ideology because it would never work in the real world.
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No self awareness whatever. There are degrees of Libertarian. It does get crazy when you take it to extremes but I would say that about every party. When you believe you have the right to tell people what to do via laws that criminalize things with no victim you need to accept that the other side has that same right to do it to you. Personally I dont like sandals and flip flops. I dont want to see peoples nasty ass feet. Doesnt mean I want there to be a law authorizing violence against those people. Thats what being a Libertarian is about.
 
Krgrecw said:
I’ve never understood third party voting on the presidential ticket. You know, the person isn’t going to win. Why not just vote for the side you agree with most often? This is the real world. Wasting votes in the presidential election does have consequences. Yes, you can put your head on your pillow and tell yourself that you didn’t vote for either of these guys, but eventually whomever wins will try to enact their policies.
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****s gonna suck no matter which of the 2 authoritarian parties win.
 
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