Thank you for adding that.
Making children more fat is child abuse.
The world is LAUGHING at us.
The Coronavirus, not the beer
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Thank you for adding that.
Making children more fat is child abuse.
The world is LAUGHING at us.
zbhargrove
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This is not true... it may have been early on in the pandemic but the Delta variant is going through schools pretty swiftly... through children. Its anecdotal but we have had a number of outbreaks at my kid's school already in just a little over a month. We've had to get our two kids tested 3 times because of close contact already just in that month.
Its anecdotal and I understand how your personal experience with your most precious loved ones would make you feel this way.
There are still no studies which show they are material vectors. Same viral loads (low) are being found in chidlren.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
From a university whose data I have been following:
0.03% positive rate for undergraduates
0.17% for graduate students
Don't know what's up with the graduate students but they need to get their **** together.
Many schools have achieved similar results, through vigorous application of a multilayered (aka kitchen sink) approach. Vaccines, masks, frequent testing. They have vanquished delta even as it has run rampant in surrounding communities.
0.03% positive rate for undergraduates
0.17% for graduate students
Don't know what's up with the graduate students but they need to get their **** together.
Many schools have achieved similar results, through vigorous application of a multilayered (aka kitchen sink) approach. Vaccines, masks, frequent testing. They have vanquished delta even as it has run rampant in surrounding communities.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
They get a regular campus experience. Sports. Dorms with roommates and friends. Classes with professors. Yeah, it is something to celebrate.
striker42
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The problem is you can argue the opposite on all your points.
Having your kids walk around without the most rudimentary, low cost chance at protection (mask) is child abuse.
Not having your kid take a vaccine that all evidence points at being incredibly safe and instead letting your child stay at risk for a disease that has no long term studies of its effects on children (e.g. long term lung damage) is child abuse.
Sending your kid to events with a high risk of getting the kid sick is child abuse.
For the record, I don't believe these things are child abuse just like I don't believe what you listed was child abuse. They're the choices a parent makes.
"Children and adolescents can also transmit SARS-CoV-2 infection to others. Early during the COVID-19 pandemic, children were not commonly identified as index cases in household or other clusters9, 10 largely because schools and extracurricular activities around the world were closed or no longer held in-person. However, outbreaks among adolescents attending camps, sports events, and schools have demonstrated that adolescents can transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others.11, 14, 30 Furthermore, transmission studies that have examined secondary infection risk from children and adolescents to household contacts who are rapidly, frequently, and systematically tested demonstrate that transmission does occur.29, 31"
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/transmission_k_12_schools.html
The big risk with kids is one kid picking it up from another kid and then spreading it to family. That's actually exactly how I ended up with Covid last year.
striker42
Well-known member
Again, logical fallacy. You can't draw the conclusion this individual is drawing from that data.
Suppose you put out sandbag walls ahead of a hurricane. The hurricane hits and you have widespread flooding. By this guy's logic you sit back and declare putting out sandbags as ineffective because flooding is up 347%. That's not a conclusion you can make.
Bad results often happen after deploying safety measures because the safety measures are deployed in response to danger. When a bad result happens people want to declare the safety measures ineffective. The reason is because the individuals never experience a world where the safety measures are not deployed.
It's possible Covid cases would be up 400% without a mask mandate. It's possible there's absolutely no effect. I lean more towards mask mandates being largely ineffective and even so I'm not willing to draw the conclusions being drawn from this data.
sturg33
I
The "it would have been worse" defense is lazy bc it can never be refuted
time and time again mask mandates go into effects and the curve continues its trends... it is nothing but security theater to make you feel all warm and fuzzy that you are doing something
Child abuse and those that perpetuate these measures either via masking or lockdowns or vaccinations are contributing to the madness that is crippling children.
What a joke of a society we are.
acesfull86
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US to FINALLY allow vaccinated international travelers back in November
sturg33
I
They've been letting unlimited unvaccinated international travels all summer at the southern border
Racist
striker42
Well-known member
And the "it would have been the same" argument suffers from the same flaw. You can't prove it with that data set. You need a control group which is almost impossible as even small difference between cities in things like public transportation, population density, and climate can cause significant differences.
I don't think mask mandates are effective, especially not in the US. I'm just saying you're throwing out conclusions you can't make based on the data.
striker42
Well-known member
I actually see this as a condemnation of parenting. My kid got more time outside and more physical activity during the lockdowns than at any other point in his life. The air was clean, the weather was great, and there was precious little else to do.