The Trump Presidency

sturg33 said:
The tax plan appears to help everyone
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I'm not a fan of the double standard deduction. It makes my comparative advantage of itemizing smaller. So in essence I have less money than the rest of the population if the plan goes through. Also, if they do away with state and local deductions than thats another negative for me.

But in general I'm in favor of tax cuts as I believe the long term growth of the econcomy is the most important thing.
 
thethe said:
Wonder if we will see any more kneeling for the anthem.
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The backlash against the kneeling protests completely ignores what it is about, which has nothing to do with the flag. Americans are too dumb to sustain democracy. Is the police state here already?
 
bravesnumberone said:
Probably not as much. What we might see is another method of protesting and I'm sure people will still bitch and go on another one of their boycotts.
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I'm fine with any issue that wants to be protested especially something like police brutality. What I do mind is having it shoved down my throat by using a game tens of millions of people love as a conduit. Nobody is tuning in to watch protests. Quite the contrary - People are tuning out because of the protests.
 
Runnin said:
The backlash against the kneeling protests completely ignores what it is about, which has nothing to do with the flag. Americans are too dumb to sustain democracy. Is the police state here already?
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The backlash is because we the public are being forced to watch because we love football. That is why people are turning away.
 
thethe said:
I'm fine with any issue that wants to be protested especially something like police brutality. What I do mind is having it shoved down my throat by using a game tens of millions of people love as a conduit. Nobody is tuning in to watch protests. Quite the contrary - People are tuning out because of the protests.
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And the anthem is played before the game. The players do their thing and then they move on and play the game. All of these folks upset, do they stand up in their living rooms and at the bars, hold their hands over their heart and be quiet? Is this really the issue, and is this really "being shoved down your throat?"
 
bravesnumberone said:
And the anthem is played before the game. The players do their thing and then they move on and play the game. All of these folks upset, do they stand up in their living rooms and at the bars, hold their hands over their heart and be quiet? Is this really the issue, and is this really "being shoved down your throat?"
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It is being shoved down our throat because the coverage of the game also includes the protests and how awful the president is.

This is not a political event but it is being turned into one.
 
bravesnumberone said:
And the anthem is played before the game. The players do their thing and then they move on and play the game. All of these folks upset, do they stand up in their living rooms and at the bars, hold their hands over their heart and be quiet? Is this really the issue, and is this really "being shoved down your throat?"
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You're right. I think the majority of fans that don't like this are misdirecting their anger at the players instead of at the media outlets that devote so much coverage to it. The odds are pretty good that none of us would have ever known about Kaepernick's protest if ESPN (or whoever it was, I don't know) hadn't made a story out of it. Fans want to turn the TV on at 1 PM Sunday and forget about the world for a few hours of a football game. Watching people listen to the national anthem probably isn't high on their list of priorities.
 
Are you even capable of stopping and thinking for a minute that the coverage happened last weekend because of what Trump said in Alabama at another one of his campaign rallies? He is the one that decided to make this a "political event." Kaepernick started this last year. Preseason if I remember correctly, when Obama was president. It died down as the year went on. Then, our president, who is supposed to be the leader of this country, calls people exercising their freedoms, not harming or intimidating anyone, a son of a bitch. Do you think that athletes, owners, etc. were just going to lie down and take that? Now, we have this stir-crazy debate over the flag, what is and isn't against code and what it means to be patriotic. There have been no meaningful discussions about the real issues, just deflection after deflection and faux-outrage "boycotts." What better platform do these guys have than when people from all backgrounds are converging together to watch? I guarantee you as sure as the sky is blue, if the first knee had never been taken during the anthem and players instead help up a black power sign during a TD celebration, or ran out of the tunnel with a sign, people would find something else wrong with it.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Are you even capable of stopping and thinking for a minute that the coverage happened last weekend because of what Trump said in Alabama at another one of his campaign rallies? He is the one that decided to make this a "political event." Kaepernick started this last year. Preseason if I remember correctly, when Obama was president. It died down as the year went on. Then, our president, who is supposed to be the leader of this country, calls people exercising their freedoms, not harming or intimidating anyone, a son of a bitch. Do you think that athletes, owners, etc. were just going to lie down and take that? Now, we have this stir-crazy debate over the flag, what is and isn't against code and what it means to be patriotic. There have been no meaningful discussions about the real issues, just deflection after deflection and faux-outrage "boycotts." What better platform do these guys have than when people from all backgrounds are converging together to watch? I guarantee you as sure as the sky is blue, if the first knee had never been taken during the anthem and players instead help up a black power sign during a TD celebration, or ran out of the tunnel with a sign, people would find something else wrong with it.
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The coverage was there last year. I'm a 49er fan so I was well aware of what was happening. ESPN has gone out of there way to cover it since Kaepernick first too a knee.
 
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thethe said:
The coverage was there last year. I'm a 49er fan so I was well aware of what was happening. ESPN has gone out of there way to cover it since Kaepernick first too a knee.
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Of course the coverage was there. It wasn't an every-day occurrence for players to sit or kneel for the anthem. It would have been irresponsible to just ignore it and not ask. And it was worth asking what the deal was with a QB who had helped lead his team to the Super Bowl a few years earlier not even starting for a team that was complete garbage.

If you think it hinders you from watching your team, it's your problem. I had no issue watching the Falcons-Lions game last week and didn't find myself thinking "Boy, I wish they'd focus on this game and stop talking about actions that make white people uncomfortable."
 
bravesnumberone said:
Of course the coverage was there. It wasn't an every-day occurrence for players to sit or kneel for the anthem. It would have been irresponsible to just ignore it and not ask. And it was worth asking what the deal was with a QB who had helped lead his team to the Super Bowl a few years earlier not even starting for a team that was complete garbage.

If you think it hinders you from watching your team, it's your problem. I had no issue watching the Falcons-Lions game last week and didn't find myself thinking "Boy, I wish they'd focus on this game and stop talking about actions that make white people uncomfortable."
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Apparently its mine and millions of other peoples problem. Just because you don't have a problem with it doens't mean its not a real thing for millions of people.
 
thethe said:
The backlash is because we the public are being forced to watch because we love football. That is why people are turning away.
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seriously it isn't too hard for those offended to click the remote and not watch for those 2 offensive minutes
 
So to summarize, it is acceptable that NFL players express dislike of police behavior on the football field, but it is not acceptable that "white people" express their dislike of NFL player behavior...err.. anywhere?

And it is ok for the players to peacefully protest by kneeling or whatever for the anthem, but when fans peacefully protest that behavior you think it's fitting to break out race baiting phrases like "Boy, I wish they'd focus on this game and stop talking about actions that make white people uncomfortable."

I'm just trying to catch up on the rules here, they seem to change a lot depending on who they are applied to.
 
Jaw said:
So to summarize, it is acceptable that NFL players express dislike of police behavior on the football field, but it is not acceptable that "white people" express their dislike of NFL player behavior...err.. anywhere?

And it is ok for the players to peacefully protest by kneeling or whatever for the anthem, but when fans peacefully protest that behavior you think it's fitting to break out race baiting phrases like "Boy, I wish they'd focus on this game and stop talking about actions that make white people uncomfortable."

I'm just trying to catch up on the rules here, they seem to change a lot depending on who they are applied to.
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No it is acceptable. The problem is those voicing their dislike are trying to delegitimize the players by calling them "son of a bitch" or "rich, spoiled, overpaid athlete" like they shouldn't have an opinion on anything.

It's all, "You hate America and our freedom." "You hate cops." "Shut up and play the game." "Respect the flag." It's an overwhelmingly white conservative crowd doing this. The message is clear and it's we're not the least bit interested in what you have to say about anything.

The people being the loudest over this shocking disparaging of the sacred American flag shrug when Confederate flags and Nazi flags are casually waved around.

Very fine people vs. sons of bitches.

The message is clear.
 
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