The Trump Presidency

Hawk said:
China isn't even communist.
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well, i would argue there are no actual communist countries

but i digress

only place i have ever been told to watch what i say was Vietnam but saw some shady **** go down in China before and had some awkward convos that people said we should walk away from before anything else might escalate
 
goldfly said:
the issues of Freedom of the press, human rights, freedom of religion

things we use to press them on

it doesn't seem they went to bat for any of that

they didn't ask for it which is usually agreed upon on simple issues by just asking

he is silent on the encroachment of China into Hong Kong more and more
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Is generality the theme tonight or what?

Where did Obama specifically press the Chinese on freedom of the press or freedom of religion? I'll give you human rights because that's the area where the one example I could think of exists.

Trump telegraphed a position on Taiwan - but I seem to recall the anti-Trump-but-for-no-other-reason-than-sore-about-loss contingent ridiculing him for that.
 
nsacpi said:
W was misunderestimated

Trump is six cans short of a six pack

yuge difference...bigly
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Trump was labeled an idiot, a bigot, a sexist, a racist, and a thief ... and still won the Presidency over e-mails chick ... seems a pretty big underestimation to me.
 
Hawk said:
I don't think there are - or should be - any basic requirements to hold office (aside from the natural-born clause). In fact, if voting for somebody like Trump flies in the face of that paradigm, by design, then I would hope for many more candidates of his ilk.

As to your #3; I'm not one of those people.
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Ok. You explained your support for him early on. You still feeling ok about it? Just my morbid curiousity inquiring.

I'm not really surprised at the rest, but I am a tad confused at what you're getting at as a desired end. A weak executive branc? Paralysis and collapse? More plutocracy?
 
Julio3000 said:
Ok. You explained your support for him early on. You still feeling ok about it? Just my morbid curiousity inquiring.

I'm not really surprised at the rest, but I am a tad confused at what you're getting at as a desired end. A weak executive branc? Paralysis and collapse? More plutocracy?
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How about the destruction of the political class and set a precident where the office is opened up to more people? This would be for both the executive and legislative branches
 
Hawk, you are so pointed in your criticism of Obama's foreign policy...sometimes it's fair and cogent, imo, sometimes petty and rather a reach.

But your implication always seems to be that Trump is an improvement. Do you think so? If so, how so?
 
thethe said:
How about the destruction of the political class and set a precident where the office is opened up to more people? This would be for both the executive and legislative branches
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Sure, but I think its effect has been to head further in the direction of plutocracy and the hegemony of the donor class.
 
Julio3000 said:
Ok. You explained your support for him early on. You still feeling ok about it? Just my morbid curiousity inquiring.

I'm not really surprised at the rest, but I am a tad confused at what you're getting at as a desired end. A weak executive branc? Paralysis and collapse? More plutocracy?
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I am content with Trump - on balance. He's done well in the areas I expected him to. I like most of the movement in the realm of foreign affairs a great deal, even if it's not anywhere near where his campaign platform seemed to point (and I think that's a relief).

I never really expected fulfillment on other issues that are important to me, like healthcare reform, for example.

The gafffes? Endearing.

Dude is like a whac-a-mole. That's something I appreciate and something I feel like an awful lot of Americans can relate to.
 
Hawk said:
It was the same sentiment with W.

He makes verbal flubs = idiot

He has an accent = idiot

He believes in God = idiot

"He's an idiot. Thereby you are an idiot for supporting him."

But got damn, if you are good with a teleprompter you are a bona fide genius.

Cue Sade.
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Strawman a tad?
 
I mean, damn, that's a veritable H-bomb of a dumb, conventional take...really the type of thing that you generally like to high-handedly snip about as you float above it all.
 
Julio3000 said:
I mean, damn, that's a veritable H-bomb of a dumb, conventional take...really the type of thing that you generally like to high-handedly snip about as you float above it all.
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Let's not even try to pretend that elitism, especially as it relates to attacks on the intellect of the conservative base and its leadership, isn't part-and-parcel of the Democratic playbook.
 
Hawk said:
Trump was labeled an idiot, a bigot, a sexist, a racist, and a thief ... and still won the Presidency over e-mails chick ... seems a pretty big underestimation to me.
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yup...the voters have it right...and Tillerson, McMaster and Cohen just don't get it
 
nsacpi said:
The problem isn't Trump. The problem is that 47% of voters voted for someone like that and about 40% continue to give him positive approval ratings. This is for someone who:

1) has a life history of ripping off other people (see "Trump University" and stiffing people who did work for him)

2) who said a judge couldn't be fair because of his Mexican ancestry

3) who scapegoats Muslims, Mexicans and other minorities

4) who has no problem with Russia interfering in our elections

5) who trafficked in the birther lie

6) whose treatment of women makes Roy Moore seem like a gentleman

and I could go on.

But I am sorry to say that Trump is not the problem. The problem is the people who still support him after all this. I don't think this is a political issue in the traditional sense of the word politics. It is something much deeper and much worse.
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There is something else that may trouble you even more, people like me who would vote No on an approval poll, but don't regret voting for him and do expect to vote for him again.

I don't like him, I wouldn't allow him to eat dinner with my family, I don't like how embarrassing his tweets and jackass comments are, and I don't like any of the things on your list.

But I do like most of his policies. I like his judicial nominees, I like his desire to cut taxes, I like his desire to grow the Navy and reduce foreign adventures (it would be nice to see some progress here), and I love that he has opposed globalism for 30 years and advocates protective tariffs.
 
Jaw said:
There is something else that may trouble you even more, people like me who would vote No on an approval poll, but don't regret voting for him and do expect to vote for him again.

I don't like him, I wouldn't allow him to eat dinner with my family, I don't like how embarrassing his tweets and jackass comments are, and I don't like any of the things on your list.

But I do like most of his policies. I like his judicial nominees, I like his desire to cut taxes, I like his desire to grow the Navy and reduce foreign adventures (it would be nice to see some progress here), and I love that he has opposed globalism for 30 years and advocates protective tariffs.
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actually that's about the most respectable thing I've heard from a Trump voter...and yes I am damning with faint praise
 
Jaw said:
There is something else that may trouble you even more, people like me who would vote No on an approval poll, but don't regret voting for him and do expect to vote for him again.

I don't like him, I wouldn't allow him to eat dinner with my family, I don't like how embarrassing his tweets and jackass comments are, and I don't like any of the things on your list.

But I do like most of his policies. I like his judicial nominees, I like his desire to cut taxes, I like his desire to grow the Navy and reduce foreign adventures (it would be nice to see some progress here), and I love that he has opposed globalism for 30 years and advocates protective tariffs.
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The anti globalist aspect of trumps policies is what is really drawing his enemies ire. All this talk about his racism /sexisms/ intelligence is being fed to the masses because what the globalist really fear is the people of this world waking up and realizing that we've been robbed blind the last 50 years like no other time in our nation's founding.
 
Hawk said:
Let's not even try to pretend that elitism, especially as it relates to attacks on the intellect of the conservative base and its leadership, isn't part-and-parcel of the Democratic playbook.
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Let's not even try to pretend that isn't a talk radio-level take. Sorry if that cones across as elitist.

Do people make dumb, elitist statements? Yes. Democrats and--gasp--even people of other affiliations. Is it "part-and-parcel of the Democratic playbook? Come on. That's super wack.
 
while saying the president's words (lies) don't matter....

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I REPEAT FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME: The presidents tweets have real impact on the world. There are slave auctions happening in Libya, and the president's childish social media antics allow the powerful in Libya an out.
 
Super said:
calling a woman who's not even there "Pocahontas" in front of Native Americans who assisted in war while standing in front of an andrew jackson portrait is "endearing" to you?
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And it's truly offensive to you?

Don't choke on that fake indignation bro.
 
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