The Trump Presidency

BeanieAntics said:
For your first sentence, that doesn't address my point at all. It doesn't matter if someone wipes their own ass with flag, pisses on the declaration of independence, calls George Washington a fairy, and relentlessly pushes Maoist policy. The president should still treat that person with the respect that an American citizen deserves.

I'm not sure why you think the Republicans were getting destroyed before Trump. They pretty decisively won the 2014 midterms. Even if they had been getting crushed and Trump was the only solution to stop them, I still wouldn't have voted for him. I knew what the alternative was in 2016 and I still didn't vote for him. I don't want to live under a leftist president at all, but I'm not going to vote for someone whose rhetoric I find divisive and whose policies I find misguided and dangerous. He's done some good things, but he's also done a LOT of damage to the social fabric of this country. He's not alone in damaging the social fabric, but he's certainly a part of it.

I'll address your last point similarly. I don't vote strategically and I'll always put my principles before convenience. I know that the economy is performing pretty well under Trump and I think a leftist candidate would be really bad for the country. But are we honestly going to sit here and pretend that the social climate he's fostered isn't an absolute living nightmare? You have people on the left calling a potato racist and people on the right trying to figure out ways to excuse actual racism to protect their boy. You have leftist extremists in Portland beating right leaning gay journalists and white nationalist extremists mowing down people in their car in Charlottesville. You have leftist extremists actively calling for the censorship of people they deem outside the Overton Window and right wingers calling legitimate protests Un-American.

Its a freaking nightmare and I can't wait until we wake up from it.
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The damage he's done is incalculable.
 
sturg33 said:
Tough to argue with anything Beanie is saying.

My only thoughts on Trump is he hasn't started a new entitlement... and he hasn't started a new war. Nothing he has done is really irrevocable. Plus he and Mitch have done a really good job of filling the courts with more limited government judges, which is a long term win.

The same can't be said for all of the dem candidates
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I think this is a wildly optimistic take. The damage he has done will be very difficult to repair. There have always been dark undercurrents to American life and politics. Trump didn't bring them into existence. But he has facilitated their coming to the surface.
 
nsacpi said:
I think this is a wildly optimistic take. The damage he has done will be very difficult to repair. There have always been dark undercurrents to American life and politics. Trump didn't bring them into existence. But he has facilitated their coming to the surface.
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Agreed. I'm glad we now know the extent in which the media is willing to lie.

I'm glad now we have definitive proof of the left's hypocrisy (Northam, Kavanaugh, etc.)

I'm glad now the open nazis have exposed themselves.

He's obviously done a lot of bad things... but exposing the ugliness of our institutions isn't the worst thing in the world. I've been saying the government is a disaster for years, and it takes Trump to get people caring about kids locked up in cages.
 
sturg33 said:
Agreed. I'm glad we now know the extent in which the media is willing to lie.

I'm glad now we have definitive proof of the left's hypocrisy (Northam, Kavanaugh, etc.)

I'm glad now the open nazis have exposed themselves.

He's obviously done a lot of bad things... but exposing the ugliness of our institutions isn't the worst thing in the world. I've been saying the government is a disaster for years, and it takes Trump to get people caring about kids locked up in cages.
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I was thinking more bringing out the crowds of supporters fired up with enthusiasm for sending those non-American socialists back wherever they came from. That group has always represented a significant current in American politics. But it has usually been a subterranean presence. Trump has helped bring them to the surface. Those of us who are immigrants or not 100% white have long been exposed to the "go back where you came from" attitudes of that crowd. In some ways it is a positive thing to have this surface.
 
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nsacpi said:
I think this is a wildly optimistic take. The damage he has done will be very difficult to repair. There have always been dark undercurrents to American life and politics. Trump didn't bring them into existence. But he has facilitated their coming to the surface.
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I don't think the damage is unrepairable, but its going to get worse before it gets better. I don't see any good outcomes in the 2020 election. Either we get another 4 years of what we currently have, except possibly worse, or we get a wild pendulum swing way too far to the left and we get some pretty awful consequences from that as well. My hope is that we're able to weather this storm for 5 more years regardless of the outcome and in the meantime the Trump sycophants and the identitarian leftists are weeded out of office in the midterms. I think by 2024, enough people are going to be sick enough of all this BS to nominate someone..... Normal on both sides. What I wouldn't give for an election that was something like Rubio vs Klobuchar or Cruz vs Yang or Fiorina vs Gabbard.... I dislike almost all of those people, but it would be a breath of fresh air to have normal human beings having a realistic shot at the presidency.
 
BeanieAntics said:
I don't think the damage is unrepairable, but its going to get worse before it gets better. I don't see any good outcomes in the 2020 election. Either we get another 4 years of what we currently have, except possibly worse, or we get a wild pendulum swing way too far to the left and we get some pretty awful consequences from that as well. My hope is that we're able to weather this storm for 5 more years regardless of the outcome and in the meantime the Trump sycophants and the identitarian leftists are weeded out of office in the midterms. I think by 2024, enough people are going to be sick enough of all this BS to nominate someone..... Normal on both sides. What I wouldn't give for an election that was something like Rubio vs Klobuchar or Cruz vs Yang or Fiorina vs Gabbard.... I dislike almost all of those people, but it would be a breath of fresh air to have normal human beings having a realistic shot at the presidency.
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I think the most likely outcome in 2020 is an Obama/Biden restoration. After the trauma of Trump, people will want boring and familiar.
 
They have him on obstruction. R's aren't even disputing that. They are just trying to say no original crime. But I say to the President, why sir if you did nothing wrong did you engage in a cover up like you committed a crime?
 
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Brian J. Karem
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POTUS answering my question says he is not afraid of indictment after leaving office because he has done nothing wrong

think about that, this is who we have entrusted with the nuclear codes.

When I was born Harry Truman was POTUS.
This is the first time I have ever heard a President say this

Truman
Eisenhower
Kennedy
Johnson
Nixon *
Ford
Carter
Reagan
Bush41
Clinton
Bush43
Obama
and now

a guy that has to explain he doesn't think he will get indicted
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Trump never met with Mueller
 
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Obviously - if you are black and not democrat you are either stupid or paid off

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I think the left is far more guilty of implicit racism like this than the right.

The right is more guilty of explicit... but it's far less common
 
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Good reminder of how beloved Trump waa before the dem propoganda machine started to make trump intoa racist.
 
People like clowns. Not so much when they are president. Cant wait to see this Trump landslide with all his new black voters. Or course thethe will never admit Trump lost fairly. More than willing to do an avatar bet if you ever feel confident enough in your BS.
 
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