This is getting ridiculous

AerchAngel said:
It is already widely accepted in most churches just don't slob the knob or wet the carpet and they are okay with it. You just cant get married in church unless they rewrite history (bible) and that ain't happening. Nothing wrong with that. You got a government marriage. What's so important with a church marriage to you or them, really? You slob the knob or wet the carpet as same sex is sin. If you don't care that is your choice and I am not your judge, be happy and do it with your hearts content, makes no difference to me.

As for abortion, kill a baby, it's sin. Case in point, girl preggy at 14 weeks, drunk driver hit her, kill baby, he/she is up for murder charges, but if mom takes a coat hanger to her/him at 14 weeks it's okay. Hmmmm?
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churches will marry gays. they won't rewrite history or the bible, just choose to ignore certain aspects of it. that's nothing new though. when was the last stoning?
 
Gary82 said:
churches will marry gays. they won't rewrite history or the bible, just choose to ignore certain aspects of it. that's nothing new though. when was the last stoning?
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No they won't. If they haven't by now, they won't. There is no monetary or media gain for them to do so. They are not a business that the LGT community can bully in this instance.

Forcing someone to accept them as a religious couple will never happen. I know the black community won't or ever will. Myself won't but I gladly accept their government one as I was a best man at my cousins ceremony but it wasn't in the church. He knows my feelings on the matter and he accepts it. How do you feel about that? I have what six gay friends and four gay family members and they have NO problem with my feelings on the matter.

They come to church knowing the feelings and accept them. We welcome them but not their lifestyle in a physical sexual sense like unmarried hetero couples but we do not kick them out. We treat them the same.
 
AerchAngel said:
No they won't. If they haven't by now, they won't. There is no monetary or media gain for them to do so. They are not a business that the LGT community can bully in this instance.

Forcing someone to accept them as a religious couple will never happen. I know the black community won't or ever will. Myself won't but I gladly accept their government one as I was a best man at my cousins ceremony but it wasn't in the church. He knows my feelings on the matter and he accepts it. How do you feel about that? I have what six gay friends and four gay family members and they have NO problem with my feelings on the matter.

They come to church knowing the feelings and accept them. We welcome them but not their lifestyle in a physical sexual sense like unmarried hetero couples but we do not kick them out. We treat them the same.
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I'm not saying you are going to change your opinion, or your church presently is going to marry gays. I'm saying in time, as it becomes more accepted and more of a non issue, as children grow up with it being accepted by society, things will change. People will start their own churches if they have to.

I'm not saying it's going to happen next Thursday.

I do believe there will be people that will resist for many years, decades, whatnot, but their numbers will dwindle as time passes. Unless, we hit another dark age, america falls, and social conservatism makes a comeback.
 
Gary82 said:
I'm not saying you are going to change your opinion, or your church presently is going to marry gays. I'm saying in time, as it becomes more accepted and more of a non issue, as children grow up with it being accepted by society, things will change. People will start their own churches if they have to.

I'm not saying it's going to happen next Thursday.

I do believe there will be people that will resist for many years, decades, whatnot, but their numbers will dwindle as time passes. Unless, we hit another dark age, america falls, and social conservatism makes a comeback.
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Maybe 200 years, but not in the next few generations it won't happen, especially for Catholics and mainstay Baptists faith, which I am a hybrid of. I don't see it with Mormons, definitely Muslims, Church of God, Church of Christs, Methodists. Lutherans and non denominational I can see it happen but they are hodgepodge of religions which anything can happen.

What I don't understand, why is it import for Christians to marry people in their church? What is there to gain from it? Money?

The government can't force them, do you want them to do that?
 
Gary82 said:
I'm not saying you are going to change your opinion, or your church presently is going to marry gays. I'm saying in time, as it becomes more accepted and more of a non issue, as children grow up with it being accepted by society, things will change. People will start their own churches if they have to.

I'm not saying it's going to happen next Thursday.

I do believe there will be people that will resist for many years, decades, whatnot, but their numbers will dwindle as time passes. Unless, we hit another dark age, america falls, and social conservatism makes a comeback.
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Oh, I am not part of any church or a participant of any religion. I don't believe in them. I might go to different churches but I do not follow their doctrine. I have my own and I will keep it that way until my death.
 
AerchAngel said:
Maybe 200 years, but not in the next few generations it won't happen, especially for Catholics and mainstay Baptists faith, which I am a hybrid of. I don't see it with Mormons, definitely Muslims, Church of God, Church of Christs, Methodists. Lutherans and non denominational I can see it happen but they are hodgepodge of religions which anything can happen.

What I don't understand, why is it import for Christians to marry people in their church? What is there to gain from it? Money?

The government can't force them, do you want them to do that?
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No one should force anyone to marry anyone. Are gays forcing priests to marry them? Hardly. There are priests, preachers, whatever, that are willing to marry them.

I don't advocate forcing a religion to marry gays. I'm saying that people of this religion will marry them.

I also think that belief in religion is dwindling and that may coincide with social acceptance of ancient "taboos."

This is just my opinion. I may be incredibly wrong.
 
AerchAngel said:
Oh, I am not part of any church or a participant of any religion. I don't believe in them. I might go to different churches but I do not follow their doctrine. I have my own and I will keep it that way until my death.
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Everyone follows their own dogma.

maybe that should read everyone should follow their own set of principles.

within reason.

...well thats subjective....****. nevermind.
 
Gary82 said:
No one should force anyone to marry anyone. Are gays forcing priests to marry them? Hardly. There are priests, preachers, whatever, that are willing to marry them.

I don't advocate forcing a religion to marry gays. I'm saying that people of this religion will marry them.

I also think that belief in religion is dwindling and that may coincide with social acceptance of ancient "taboos."

This is just my opinion. I may be incredibly wrong.
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Really? I would love to see this list. The only church that would do them are fringe churches. Like Church of Sweden, Church of Canda, some bumfvck Baptist church that is not sanctioned. No Roman Catholic, Mormon, Muslim or any other main stream church would.

Oh, you are wrong, but you just don't know it yet.

Again, why is it important for marriage to be recognized in the church, it has no bearing on a gay couple, none, whatsoever. They have all the legal rights as a hetero couple. I am so cool with that why not you?
 
i think its ridiculous to expect the "moral majority" to recognize and accept gay marriage (right away). I agree that government recognition is what should be targeted. Is this what we were arguing? I thought we were arguging whether or not straight couples not having kids was as wrong as gay marriage. Damn it, I'm tired and have to sleep.
 
Gary82 said:
i think its ridiculous to expect the "moral majority" to recognize and accept gay marriage (right away). I agree that government recognition is what should be targeted. Is this what we were arguing? I thought we were arguging whether or not straight couples not having kids was as wrong as gay marriage. Damn it, I'm tired and have to sleep.
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LOL. yeah, sorry about it bud, we got off track. I have no problems with gays marrying, just the church part I thought you were questioning why God does not sanction it and I provided why in partial.

Get some sleep. I am an insomniac so sleep is hard for me at times.
 
AerchAngel said:
LOL. yeah, sorry about it bud, we got off track. I have no problems with gays marrying, just the church part I thought you were questioning why God does not sanction it and I provided why in partial.

Get some sleep. I am an insomniac so sleep is hard for me at times.
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I hear ya. I have to get up early anyway. I guess we'll have to solve our society's problems another night.
 
I had a conversation with one of my libertarian-leaning friends yesterday and we agreed the pertinent point here is more about disclosure laws than the nature and definition of marriage. I'm not a fan of the Citizens United decision, but what I don't think the left gets is that these types of witch hunts only strengthen the argument of the Koch brothers for the retention of anti-disclosure laws to protect political speech. I realize this may be just me, but I'd rather Brandon Eich be left alone and we have laws that protect the transparency of mass political discussion than the obverse, where Eich is publicly humiliated and chastised and the case for erecting a wall of anonymity for those who fund political speech is thereby strengthened.
 
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