Three-way talk

Heyward said:
With Mallex coming, and Markakis unfortunately not going anywhere, and they'll need a power bat at some point, someone has to go.

Unfortunately it has to be Maybin.
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You are a trip, you argue so much against trading Maybin. But now a few rumors come out backing up what I told you months ago that you argued against and you say "Maybin has to go". :)

That said, I don't agree that Maybin has to go. Will he go? Most likely, but that is because how they value others and him. Simple as that.

PS: I don't like the idea of trading Maybin just to dump CJ's contract since I seriously doubt that includes much in return. I rather package CJ with Grilli as someone else suggested than dump Maybin that way.
 
Dalyn said:
I would MUCH rather trade Markakis.
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That is what I said months ago but I don't believe they'll even try that as it seems clear they love Markakis. They just value him a lot more than Maybin like it or not. I disagree but what you and I think doesn't matter.
 
Braves1976 said:
You are a trip, you argue so much against trading Maybin. But now a few rumors come out backing up what I told you months ago that you argued against and you say "Maybin has to go". :)

That said, I don't agree that Maybin has to go. Will he go? Most likely, but that is because how they value others and him. Simple as that.

PS: I don't like the idea of trading Maybin just to dump CJ's contract since I seriously doubt that includes much in return. I rather package CJ with Grilli as someone else suggested than dump Maybin that way.
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Im saying this because no one will take on Markakis' deal.

I hope we keep Maybin, hes been good and seems to love it down close to his family.

If it was my way, i'd have Maybin, Mallex and FA bopper in the outfield.
 
Heyward said:
Im saying this because no one will take on Markakis' deal.

I hope we keep Maybin, hes been good and seems to love it down close to his family.

If it was my way, i'd have Maybin, Mallex and FA bopper in the outfield.
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OK. It's just you gave me a hard time for pointing out the likely position of the organization months back, then kept posting against others too anytime they brought up trading Maybin. But now you're saying he has to go, so I am sure you can understand why I responded as I did. Further, I don't know if anyone would take Markakis or not but either way I doubt they even considered moving him. As I said before, that is what I'd do personally but I am aware that my view of Markakis and theirs is different.
 
Back to trade talk.

I'd rather trade them just by themselves and get the best return possible.

Instead of dump a contract which isnt THAT bad and get a worse/lesser return.
 
I guess the ultimate question in regards to a pure salary dump is whether or not you think 2 more years of Maybin is worth $26.5 million? That would be the approximate amount saved in 16 and 17. I'm not sure.
 
I think the deal they are looking at is pairing CJ with Teheran. We only have 5 rotation spots and I think they might go after a Frontline pitcher in free agency. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to prioritize getting rid of the 17 million owed CJ when we have only 50 million committed to players next year unless they plan to make a big splash in free agency. If payroll is going to go up to about 150 in 2017 they could start early and sign 2 top tier free agents. Maybe bring Wieters in too.
 
Heyward said:
The money argument is stupid, there's not much money on the payroll next year.

Packaging Maybin with CJ is mind-boggling dumb, and two, we arent getting Heyward or Justin, so throw that out the window.

Just keep Maybin, unless a team if offering a really good prospect.

Even still, you arent gonna find better value than Maybin on the FA market than Maybin at 8 mil next year and 9 mil in 2017, thats some good value.

Markakis, Mallex, Markakis probably is very light offensively but if they cant land one of Justin or Jason, then what can ya do.
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For a mid market team, money is never a dumb argument. He isn't just costing us valuable payroll space. He's costing us a valuable roster spot as well.

If money was not an issue, CJ would be off the team already. The fact that they are considering such a deal should tell you that they value that payroll flexibility very much.
 
I’m still not convinced that any free agent, and likely any available trade bat, is going to out perform Maybin in left over the course of a season. As much as I’d love to have Justin there, the money and lack of consistency doesn’t make him THAT much better an option.
 
keithlaw said:
We also weren't open to dealing Kimbrel.
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Yep. I think the key might be that we're not open to dealing Maybin...alone. That was the thing with Kimbrel. I don't think we were going to deal him by himself but the opportunity to get rid of Melvin was too good to pass up. I think if a team is willing to take CJ, you'll see a deal get done.
 
striker42 said:
Yep. I think the key might be that we're not open to dealing Maybin...alone. That was the thing with Kimbrel. I don't think we were going to deal him by himself but the opportunity to get rid of Melvin was too good to pass up. I think if a team is willing to take CJ, you'll see a deal get done.
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Agreed. I don't think we want to either, but if a team really wants him, then it's going to be by our rules. We don't have to trade him and teams know that. My preference is still to keep him though.
 
JohnAdcox said:
I’m still not convinced that any free agent, and likely any available trade bat, is going to out perform Maybin in left over the course of a season. As much as I’d love to have Justin there, the money and lack of consistency doesn’t make him THAT much better an option.
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I think Cespedes is clearly better...but doubt we pay his price plus a pick.
 
Russ2dollas said:
I think Cespedes is clearly better...but doubt we pay his price plus a pick.
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Yeah, I should have been more clear. There are certainly better options than Maybin out there for left. I just question the price, in terms of money, chips, or picks, and wonder if those assets might fill more pressing needs, especially at third and catcher.
 
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