Top offseason priority?

My guess Braves trade for McCann: something like Markakis for McCann and cash.

Braves sign Jay Bruce as their big FA splash to play RF.

Sign RA Dickey to slot at 3-4 and Jake Peavy to slot at 5.

CF Inciarte
2B Albies
SS Swanson
1B Freeman
LF Kemp
RF Bruce
3B Garcia/Ruiz
C McCann/Flowers

Rotation: Teheran, Folty, Dickey, Wisler, Peavy
Pen: Viz, Withrow, Krol, Simmons, Cabrera, Minter, Roe

Dickey eats innings and both he and Peavy provide leadership. Both would be short termers and could be moved aside as young pitchers show they are ready.
 
chop2chip said:
I wouldn't be against Weiters if he doesn't receive a QO. But I wouldn't go above 3/30 million for him.
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I wouldn't go beyond 2 years and 20 million for Wieters. I mean at 3 years 30 million you might as well go ahead and take on all of Mac's contract. At least he can still hit and frame pitches well.
 
Carp said:
I wouldn't go beyond 2 years and 20 million for Wieters. I mean at 3 years 30 million you might as well go ahead and take on all of Mac's contract. At least he can still hit and frame pitches well.
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yeah...if we go after wieters it should be only one or two years guarantees.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
I can't see any way Sale and Miller end up being traded for by Atlanta this offseason.
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Didn't say that they'll end up in ATL, but wouldn't bet against discussions continuing. Here's why:

1.) Sale - his situation with the White Sox is practically untenable, team friendly contract and the Braves would have the assets to acquire him...don't look into it any further, because who knows what the White Sox are asking? (within reason)

2.) Miller - his situation is quite different from Sale's but will grow rapidly worse if he starts next season with D-Backs and doesn't perform. Simple solution for them is to accept that they got fleeced in the deal, cut bait with Miller, give him a chance to turn his career back around where he had the most success and try to salvage *some* return.

Why would the Braves do it?

1) They've had discussions (relatively recently too) on both pitchers.
2.) Sale slots in very well in #1 spot in front of Teheran and Miller fits in well in #3 spot, assuming he's a workable reclamation project.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
My guess Braves trade for McCann: something like Markakis for McCann and cash.

Braves sign Jay Bruce as their big FA splash to play RF.

Sign RA Dickey to slot at 3-4 and Jake Peavy to slot at 5.

CF Inciarte

2B Albies

SS Swanson

1B Freeman

LF Kemp

RF Bruce

3B Garcia/Ruiz

C McCann/Flowers

Rotation: Teheran, Folty, Dickey, Wisler, Peavy

Pen: Viz, Withrow, Krol, Simmons, Cabrera, Minter, Roe

Dickey eats innings and both he and Peavy provide leadership. Both would be short termers and could be moved aside as young pitchers show they are ready.
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I like this idea.
 
Catcher for sure, need a power bat in the outfield as well.

SP is a need too, obviously but not many options in FA.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
My guess Braves trade for McCann: something like Markakis for McCann and cash.

Braves sign Jay Bruce as their big FA splash to play RF.

Sign RA Dickey to slot at 3-4 and Jake Peavy to slot at 5.

CF Inciarte
2B Albies
SS Swanson
1B Freeman
LF Kemp
RF Bruce
3B Garcia/Ruiz
C McCann/Flowers

Rotation: Teheran, Folty, Dickey, Wisler, Peavy
Pen: Viz, Withrow, Krol, Simmons, Cabrera, Minter, Roe

Dickey eats innings and both he and Peavy provide leadership. Both would be short termers and could be moved aside as young pitchers show they are ready.
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Bruce has a team option that most likely gets picked up.

Dickey and Peavy are awful.
 
Knucksie said:
Miller - his situation is quite different from Sale's but will grow rapidly worse if he starts next season with D-Backs and doesn't perform. Simple solution for them is to accept that they got fleeced in the deal, cut bait with Miller, give him a chance to turn his career back around where he had the most success and try to salvage *some* return.
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Agreed. I think that the Braves will atleast dip their toes in the water with Sale, but ultimately find that the asking price is too rich for their blood. Atlanta certainly has the young talent to match up with any competing offer, but I don't see a move being pulled off that doesn't leave a gaping hole somewhere in the organization.

Miller, on the other hand, is a much more interesting and plausible option. With all of the rumored changes nearly afoot in the Arizona FO plucking him away at market value
(which is yet to be determined but could be ripe with MOR arms) definitely seems like a possibility. The real question becomes the optics of a deal with Atlanta. While, as you say, the original deal has essentially already been dubbed a fleecing, it would still look horrible for the Diamondbacks to ship him back to Atlanta a year later - even in a package headlined by premium prospects.
 
Just glad he says we're looking to get a manager. Hope that's a sign he's not sold on Snit or that we're gonna let Snit bow out at the end of the year.
 
For starting pitching I'd look to buy low on guys like Alex Cobb and Tyson Ross who are coming off injury and will be a free agent after 2017. They could be a good flip candidate in July if they bounce back. Keuchel is another good buy low options we could have for two more years. I assume we're going to have one lefty in the rotation.

For longer term options I like Archer and Odorizzi. I think Sale is just going to be too much for us at this time.

For catcher I still like McCann if the price is right, but Weiters on a 2 year deal sounds like it could be a good fit. I also think Derek Norris could be a good buy low candidate.

The first thing I'd probably do is hit up Preller and see how much a Tyson Ross/Derek Norris trade would cost me. It could be a cheap way to fill a couple of holes to start the offseason. The less holes you have the easier it is to bargain.
 
nsacpi said:
I believe that would be 4 years of contractual control of Ender for 1 of Ross and 2 of Norris. The Pods would have to add some imo.
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I'd say it is too light already for two major league players particularly for a middle rest starter and a credible catcher.

I don't think the Padres have any reason to need to move guys for salary. These are short term deals for a team with no payroll. They have every motivation to hold them until they get a good package.

But I think I'd absolutely trade inciarte or mallex for those two guys if I was interested in being competitive next year. Would maybe a no brainer if that's all it took.

The answer to the initial question that begun the thread for me as others have said: the biggest need is credible major league starting pitching.

If they want to be competitive getting two starters would be the thing to do though that does conflict with the rebuilding process to some degree.
 
I'd bite on the Dickey deal. Man that sounds horrible. But he's someone that will give us innings. He's not a top of the rotation guy though...
 
Southcack77 said:
I'd say it is too light already for two major league players particularly for a middle rest starter and a credible catcher.

I don't think the Padres have any reason to need to move guys for salary. These are short term deals for a team with no payroll. They have every motivation to hold them until they get a good package.

But I think I'd absolutely trade inciarte or mallex for those two guys if I was interested in being competitive next year. Would maybe a no brainer if that's all it took.

The answer to the initial question that begun the thread for me as others have said: the biggest need is credible major league starting pitching.

If they want to be competitive getting two starters would be the thing to do though that does conflict with the rebuilding process to some degree.
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Agreed. I think you start by looking at who has 1-2 years left before free agency and check in with those clubs to see what it would take. We need two starters to team with Julio/Folty. The rest can start out in AAA until the prove they're ready or just go with the hot hand.
 
Smyly fron the Rays and Shelby are my choices. Both have 2 years control left and have more upside than how they have been pitching.
 
The Braves just spent 2 years stocking up on arms, and now pitching is one of their biggest needs? Something went terribly wrong if that's the case.

Here are the Braves current MLB rankings by WAR for all positions:

C - 27th (-0.5 WAR)
1B - 3rd (4.0)
2B - 29th (-0.7)
SS - 29th (-0.7)
3B - 30th (-0.6)
LF - 23rd (0.2)
CF - 10th (2.4)
RF - 18th (1.1)
SP - 24th (3.9)
BP - 21st (2.1)

Yes, there are 4 positions where the Braves have been worse than a replacement level AAAA player. I would consider those positions the areas of biggest need.

Considering Swanson and Albies are going to be relied upon to fix SS and 2B, that leaves C and 3B as the big fat gaping holes on the roster. If those holes are not filled this offseason, the FO failed. If some sort of Ruiz and Garcia platoon is used at 3B, the FO failed. If anyone needs to see anything more from Adonis Garcia, they have no business being employed by an MLB team. If anyone thinks Rio Ruiz is the answer when half a dozen ~2 WAR guys at 3B are going to be available this offeason, they need to be fired. At least they seem to understand that C needs an upgrade, but if they go with Weiters I will have lost all faith in their ability to assess MLB roster needs.

The options and resources are all there for the Braves to easily gain ~5 wins combined from upgrading C and 3B with actual MLB caliber players. Failure to do so should be grounds for termination of many FO members.
 
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