Trade Deadline/Rumors thread

gilesfan said:
So 3 out of 6 years in his prime. What is your point again?
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His prime was the beginning of his career.
He's been about the same player since 2009 or 2010 save for one down year.
He's solid and is being paid like he's solid. You're expecting him to fall off a cliff with little actual evidence.
 
yeezus said:
This is his prime? What?
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The years I mentioned were roughly 25-31 years of age.

A position players prime is essentially 25-30 with severe drop-offs past the age of 30.

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What is the confusion?
 
auyushu said:
Going strictly by the 7 mil per WAR value is really a losing proposition for a mid level payroll team. Particularly when you are talking about a player who is worth 2 WAR or less. It's pretty easy to find a guy for the minimum (or 2-3 mil at least) that can put up 1-1.5 WAR, so it's not like Markakis is some value.

We are going to need to be around 40-45 total WAR for a year to have a solid playoff team (the Giants and Royals managed to sneak in with 38-39ish last year). We can't even afford to pay 3 mil per WAR with our current payroll and reach 40 WAR. So paying market value for a player with 2.5 WAR upside is a pretty bad idea IMO, particularly when that player plays a corner OF spot, which is one of the best spots to hide a great bat, average defense player.
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That's the FA market. Obviously there's no team paying that per WAR for their team as a whole. It's why young guys are so important for a team like ours especially.

I'm not arguing that Markakis is a steal; I'm arguing that for a FA, he's been worth his contract this year. Because he has been.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
The game HAS NOT changed. Perception has changed. The average number of TEAM HR is currently annualizing to about 162HR which would be about what it was in 2012. The average has fluctuated around 160 for the last 10 years or so with the low being last year at 140. The averages have fallen off a bit since testing was started but that has been about 10 off of league average.

The game is not going back to deadball, slap it the other way, steal a base and get sacrificed home no matter how much some may want it to be that way because that way fits better with current team possibilities.

The Braves are woefully short on power. Trying to explain that away as unimportant is just whistling past the graveyard.
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Who has suggested a bunch of slap hitters and bunters? You keep beating the heck out of that straw man, though.

The Braves have been a below-average offense this year, but not disastrously so, especially for the division. We don't need a ton more power to become a solid offense. And the organization's philosophy clearly seems to be aiming for a great pitching staff and a solid offense, not the other way around. So we're not trying to put together the best offense in the league; obviously that would be awesome, but we have to use the resources we have to put together the best team possible, and a payroll like ours probably won't be able to assemble a great rotation and a killer offense.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
The game HAS NOT changed. Perception has changed. The average number of TEAM HR is currently annualizing to about 162HR which would be about what it was in 2012. The average has fluctuated around 160 for the last 10 years or so with the low being last year at 140. The averages have fallen off a bit since testing was started but that has been about 10 off of league average.

The game is not going back to deadball, slap it the other way, steal a base and get sacrificed home no matter how much some may want it to be that way because that way fits better with current team possibilities.

The Braves are woefully short on power. Trying to explain that away as unimportant is just whistling past the graveyard.
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I was being sarcastic... I love power.
 
If Markakis ages "normally" from a baseball perspective, his production will be that of a part-time player in the last year of a contract that pays him like a full-time player. In the current free agent market for average or better talent, this is the cost of doing business. If the Braves were expecting to contend in 2015, a signing like this is fairly defensible. When you're embarking on a 1-2 year rebuild, it makes a lot less sense. That is essentially the beef many of us had with this signing over the Winter.
 
dak said:
If Markakis ages "normally" from a baseball perspective, his production will be that of a part-time player in the last year of a contract that pays him like a full-time player. In the current free agent market for average or better talent, this is the cost of doing business. If the Braves were expecting to contend in 2015, a signing like this is fairly defensible. When you're embarking on a 1-2 year rebuild, it makes a lot less sense. That is essentially the beef many of us had with this signing over the Winter.
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And that's fine. But the idea that Markakis will be some organization-paralyzing anchor is off base. The signing can be questioned, but some have said he's already way overpaid, which is just wrong.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Everyone who is "ok" with Markakis is just avoiding the elephant in the room.
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There's no elephant in the room. Everyone wants more power and better hitters in general. Markakis can be a solid part of a good offense. Our main problem is our lack of offense at LF, SS, 2B, 3B, and C going forward; less so RF.
 
smootness said:
And that's fine. But the idea that Markakis will be some organization-paralyzing anchor is off base. The signing can be questioned, but some have said he's already way overpaid, which is just wrong.
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Completely agree. The Braves could have (and should have) done better, but this is far from a franchise crippling move. Signing a 30-year old David Price to an 8-year deal . . . now that's the type of thing than can be a franchise crippling move if you're a mid-market team.
 
Craig Calcaterra ‏@craigcalcaterra 3m3 minutes ago
Hearing Aramis Ramirez is going to Pittsburgh. If someone else had this before me, blame my kids. But it's happening.
 
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