Trade deadline thread

WaitingFor2017 said:
At this point, either give Murph/TDA more DH appearances or go out and find a new DH. Ozuna’s July looks like his April
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He's still hitting the ball hard though. Lots of bad luck lately. Probably not worth upsetting the team chemistry.

We could probably use an upgrade over Hilliard, who has only had 1 hit since April 26th (granted, only 23 PAs). But I'm not sure who that would be. We aren't likely to play anyone over Pillar/Rosario, imo.
 
Carp said:
People were mad at getting Soler? We gave up nothing to get him.


I was a little bummed that we didn't sell off our rentals like Charlie, TDA, Smyly, Smith, etc. Quite clearly, AA was smarter than me.

But I also had the opinion that if we were going to be buyers, we needed to buying in the bargain bin aisle and not trading away our top prospects. And that's what AA did. So I feel like I deserve a bit of credit for AA choosing my secondary option.
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Not many people on here were mad. Mainly fair weather Twitter fans. Because he had such a bad but unlucky first half. You know… batting average fans.
 
I think the problem for the Braves will be if another team with more resources in terms of prospects ups the ante on the Hader/Snell/Stroman/Montgomery/Giolito level of obtainable assets. I think the ask on any of those guys starts with Smith-Shawver and/or Grissom and that's easily matched by some of the more prospect-heavy contenders.

Anthopoulos has never blanched at trading prospects wherever he's been, but given pitching needs beyond this year, I highly doubt he wants to part with Smith-Shawver, making Grissom his number one trading chip. It would be odd, but I can imagine him going for a bigger splash that would include guys currently on the major league team if he could get some pitching that was controllable beyond this year.
 
50PoundHead said:
I think the problem for the Braves will be if another team with more resources in terms of prospects ups the ante on the Hader/Snell/Stroman/Montgomery/Giolito level of obtainable assets. I think the ask on any of those guys starts with Smith-Shawver and/or Grissom and that's easily matched by some of the more prospect-heavy contenders.

Anthopoulos has never blanched at trading prospects wherever he's been, but given pitching needs beyond this year, I highly doubt he wants to part with Smith-Shawver, making Grissom his number one trading chip. It would be odd, but I can imagine him going for a bigger splash that would include guys currently on the major league team if he could get some pitching that was controllable beyond this year.
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There's alot of SP's available than past years though from teams who are sellers. You have ERod, Boyd, Lorenzen, maybe Cease, Giolito, Lynn, Monty, Flaherty, Stro, possibly Snell. I dont think one of the rental SP's will cost an absurd amount like AJS or Griss, but we'll see. If it does, AA may just stick with what he has and try to upgrade other areas.
 
I was in the camp of just staying pat at the deadline of 2021.. I didn't see the point in Soler and Joc personally. Seemed we were too far out of it and no Ronnie was going to be too big of a hill to climb. I thought trading a few rentals might be good just to have bullets for next years deadline. But on par, I was wrong.. way wrong.

This year I think pitching is about the only thing we need to focus on. I don't see the point in a role player that will rot on the bench. Starters/pen.. I don't care just someone better than Milone or his likes. Get someone the Braves can leverage in the playoffs. Get 2 and this team will be very hard to beat. Barring injuries, this team has the offense already to win it all.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I was in the camp of just staying pat at the deadline of 2021.. I didn't see the point in Soler and Joc personally. Seemed we were too far out of it and no Ronnie was going to be too big of a hill to climb. I thought trading a few rentals might be good just to have bullets for next years deadline. But on par, I was wrong.. way wrong.

This year I think pitching is about the only thing we need to focus on. I don't see the point in a role player that will rot on the bench. Starters/pen.. I don't care just someone better than Milone or his likes. Get someone the Braves can leverage in the playoffs. Get 2 and this team will be very hard to beat. Barring injuries, this team has the offense already to win it all.
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Only bat worth getting is probably Bellinger, and he'll probably go for far more than what AA would pay. Obviously pitching is what we need. Just gonna depend on the cost since we dont have the best trade chips to offer. Most of our best chips are 2-3+ years away.
 
50PoundHead said:
I think the problem for the Braves will be if another team with more resources in terms of prospects ups the ante on the Hader/Snell/Stroman/Montgomery/Giolito level of obtainable assets. I think the ask on any of those guys starts with Smith-Shawver and/or Grissom and that's easily matched by some of the more prospect-heavy contenders.

Anthopoulos has never blanched at trading prospects wherever he's been, but given pitching needs beyond this year, I highly doubt he wants to part with Smith-Shawver, making Grissom his number one trading chip. It would be odd, but I can imagine him going for a bigger splash that would include guys currently on the major league team if he could get some pitching that was controllable beyond this year.
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It's hard to know what to know what prices will be like because all of the top pitchers expected to be available are all rentals. Stroman has a player option, but I think it's rather clear he will opt out given his strong season thus far.

Teams have generally refused to give up significant prospects for rentals in recent years. Probably the most notable trade was the Mets trading their 2020 1st round pick to the Cubs for Baez at the 2021 deadline. But even he was just a 45 FV prospect at the time of the trade.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
Rosario over his last 15 games:

47 AB, 1 HR 13K 3 BB, .149/.200/.255

Not to mention those two boneheaded defensive mistakes last week.
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One of the biggest teases in all of baseball. Above average raw tools, but leaves his brain in neutral a lot of the time. If you can live with the streakiness, he's tolerable. His bill of his cap to his shoelaces strike zone is especially frustrating, but then he'll hit a pitch that's less than a foot off the ground 400 feet and one has to think "Maybe he knows what he's doing." Like Hulavol pointed out, you just hope his hot streak re-emerges during playoff time and his mistakes get covered.
 
Carp said:
It's hard to know what to know what prices will be like because all of the top pitchers expected to be available are all rentals. Stroman has a player option, but I think it's rather clear he will opt out given his strong season thus far.

Teams have generally refused to give up significant prospects for rentals in recent years. Probably the most notable trade was the Mets trading their 2020 1st round pick to the Cubs for Baez at the 2021 deadline. But even he was just a 45 FV prospect at the time of the trade.
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Good points. I just think if someone ups the ante on the acquisition cost for any of these guys, the Braves may not have the ammunition to match it. Grissom is probably the most marketable of our trade bait because he doesn't really fit for us given Albies and Rilley are set and there are questions about Grissom's ability to be an everyday shortstop. He has major league experience and a decent floor. I don't think Anthopoulos would even consider moving Smith-Shawver unless he's part of a megadeal that brought back pitching controlled beyond next year.

I think where the Braves fall short is that they don't seem to have any second-tier prospects that might entice a prospective trade partner for one of the more sought-after pitchers. The guys the got in 2021 weren't top-line players so the Braves managed to get Soler for Kalich (who is now pitching in an independent league), Pederson for Ball (whose career has stalled in AA), Rosario for Panda (out of baseball and destroying buffets somewhere), and Duvall for Alex Jackson (now chasing balls to the backstop for the Brewers' AAA team). The biggest deadline deal Anthopoulos has made was the acquisition of Iglesias, which meant taking on salary.
 
Braves get a new Tahearn:

The Braves have acquired left-hander Taylor Hearn from the Rangers, reports Mark Bowman of MLB.com. The southpaw had been designated for assignment by the Rangers last week. It’s the second pitching addition of the day for Atlanta, who also acquired Pierce Johnson from the Rockies. Corresponding moves will be required to get both players onto the 40-man roster.
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Heyward said:
Only bat worth getting is probably Bellinger, and he'll probably go for far more than what AA would pay. Obviously pitching is what we need. Just gonna depend on the cost since we dont have the best trade chips to offer. Most of our best chips are 2-3+ years away.
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Man if we replaced Rosario with Belli…WOW. I know it won’t happen, but goodness
 
Carp said:
Stroman seems like the best of the available starters, but that likely means he's the most expensive. AA has a history with him though, so I could definitely see him high on our list if we decide to pursue a starter.

I still say Brad Hand needs to be our top target.
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Stroman also is the biggest risk with his player option that he will only exercise if his arm falls off...so it's purely downside. So he might not be as expensive to acquire as others with less downside risk.

Having said that, here are how the interesting SP rentals stack up in terms of 2023 xwOBA against the current rotation stalwarts (I'm assuming Wright is cooked):

Fried, Max .242
Strider, Spencer .273
Stroman, Marcus .306
Snell, Blake .308
Montgomery, Jordan .315
Elder, Bryce .317
Giolito, Lucas .325
Morton, Charlie .329

Any of these guys could be a good option to stack the rotation. Fried and Strider are still obviously a notch or more better, but these guys could all fill in the middle of the rotation and make a playoff start.

My opinion is AA needs someone like this to guard against the uncertainty Fried represents.
 
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Enscheff said:
Stroman also is the biggest risk with his player option that he will only exercise if his arm falls off...so it's purely downside. So he might not be as expensive to acquire as others with less downside risk.

Having said that, here are how the interesting SP rentals stack up in terms of 2023 xwOBA against the current rotation stalwarts (I'm assuming Wright is cooked):

Fried, Max .242
Strider, Spencer .273
Stroman, Marcus .306
Snell, Blake .308
Montgomery, Jordan .315
Elder, Bryce .317
Giolito, Lucas .325
Morton, Charlie .329

Any of these guys could be a good option to stack the rotation. Fried and Strider are still obviously a notch or more better, but these guys could all fill in the middle of the rotation and make a playoff start.

My opinion is AA needs someone like this to guard against the uncertainty Fried represents.
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Exactly. If he stands pat and Fried goes back on the shelf it makes it a lot harder bc you can’t fill that role internally. I’m sure he knows all of this so hopefully he can get an upgrade. Dylan Cease is controllable for 2 more years after this one and is only 27. If AA did put AJSS in a deal I’d say it would be somebody controllable like that. And with Fried only having 1 more year I could see AA targeting a player like that.
 
I dont think we'd trade for a pitcher with alot of control left. Someone like Jordan Montgomery is who i'd go for. Goes somewhat deep into games, and keeps you in it. I dont think AA would trade for what it'd take to land Snell or Stro.
 
Enscheff said:
Stroman also is the biggest risk with his player option that he will only exercise if his arm falls off...so it's purely downside. So he might not be as expensive to acquire as others with less downside risk.

Having said that, here are how the interesting SP rentals stack up in terms of 2023 xwOBA against the current rotation stalwarts (I'm assuming Wright is cooked):

Fried, Max .242
Strider, Spencer .273
Stroman, Marcus .306
Snell, Blake .308
Montgomery, Jordan .315
Elder, Bryce .317
Giolito, Lucas .325
Morton, Charlie .329

Any of these guys could be a good option to stack the rotation. Fried and Strider are still obviously a notch or more better, but these guys could all fill in the middle of the rotation and make a playoff start.

My opinion is AA needs someone like this to guard against the uncertainty Fried represents.
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I think I mentioned last week that Anthopoulos traded for Odorizzi when everyone was healthy, so I will be surprised if he doesn't try to land another starter. Maybe not one of the top guys on the market, but an affordable back-up plan who could eat innings. Given the lack of quality depth in our minor league system, it may be difficult for Anthopoulos to play at the head table at the deadline.
 
I have doubts that Boston sells when they are 2-3 games back of the last WC. But if they do Nick Pivetta is someone that would be useful either out of the pen or as spot starter. He's been pretty dominant out of the pen.
 
Enscheff said:
I'd be shocked if the White Sox blow things up like that. My assumption is it will be a rental SP.
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Yeah the AL Central is still super weak. No real reason for them to fire sale. And they still have good young pieces to build on.
 
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