United Kingdom To European Union: Buh Bye!

I forget who it was, but someone made a good point that since Americans have a tendency to think that British people are smarter and more sophisticated than themselves, they might be more willing to vote for Trump after this leave vote. If these folks with those fancy accents can do something this risky then why not us?
 
weso1 said:
I forget who it was, but someone made a good point that since Americans have a tendency to think that British people are smarter and more sophisticated than themselves, they might be more willing to vote for Trump after this leave vote. If these folks with those fancy accents can do something like risky then why not us?
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only americans could have this type of logic

"hey, those people did something stupid. maybe we should too"
 
weso1 said:
I forget who it was, but someone made a good point that since Americans have a tendency to think that British people are smarter and more sophisticated than themselves, they might be more willing to vote for Trump after this leave vote. If these folks with those fancy accents can do something this risky then why not us?
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It was Andy Borowirz
 
That wasn't what I said at all. Your projecting your opinion onto others. Obviously they don't think it's stupid. Just that change can be scary sometimes. Folks that are maybe on the fence on Trump and are just willing to vote for him because of the supreme court, but maybe need a push.
 
Why exactly is it stupid for a British citizen to support Brexit? What are the specific reasons? I'd be interested to hear them and maybe I can come back with some retorts. no cut and paste stuff unless it's a short point (i.e no linking a whole article except for reference purposes). Let's hear some bullet points stating reasons why a person is stupid if they supported Brexit.
 
cause it doesn't make sense

it was done by old people who won't really have to live long with this choice either

the change in trade, tariffs that will happen now while also having to still play by the EU rules cause over half of your trade is with the EU

the ease of getting whomever you wanted to work for you (aka the brightest and the best) is now thrown out the window or now made much harder to do.

in uncharted waters and we shall see what happens and what deals are struck but the fear of immigrants from old brits doesn't outweigh the harm it can/has done economically

the socialism angle is the oddest and absurd. that socialism lost? do the people that say that not know anything about the UK and how their country is setup?
 
sturg33 said:
Help me understand what you mean there... does the UK no longer plan to trade with any countries?
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The UK will be trading with countries, but there will be tariffs and the like between the EU and the UK as a result of this move. There are a lot of reasons for the UK vote, but I think at base level the exit vote was fueled by the portion of the lower middle class that feels left behind by globalization. That is being felt worldwide and we see a lot of it in the Trump candidacy. The EU is more comprehensive than NAFTA and the TPP, but it's really about lowering barriers to joint economic activity and encouraging comparative advantage. When the UK leaves, some of those barriers will increase and the advantages of comparative advantage will lessen. The "good" trade deals that Trump talks about and that some who have fueled the Brexit embrace will likely increase consumer prices. That's just the way it is. Further, the British may have to restore some industries that have eroded and that doesn't promote economic efficiency and will also raise prices.

This wasn't about socialism per se. It may have been, working off Runnin's comment, about providing the benefits of the UK social safety net to refugees and immigrants, but Norway never joined the EU and they have one of the most bountiful safety nets in the world. Margaret Thatcher, hardly a hard core socialist, was one of the biggest promoters of greater European integration. England pretty much invented the modern mercantile state and this move runs counter to that.
 
Or the UK got tired of paying for all of the EU's nonsensical regulations and spending. I posted a video from a UK leader saying just that

But hey, the government said it'd bad for the people, so it must be terrible!
 
50PoundHead said:
The UK will be trading with countries, but there will be tariffs and the like between the EU and the UK as a result of this move. There are a lot of reasons for the UK vote, but I think at base level the exit vote was fueled by the portion of the lower middle class that feels left behind by globalization. That is being felt worldwide and we see a lot of it in the Trump candidacy. The EU is more comprehensive than NAFTA and the TPP, but it's really about lowering barriers to joint economic activity and encouraging comparative advantage. When the UK leaves, some of those barriers will increase and the advantages of comparative advantage will lessen. The "good" trade deals that Trump talks about and that some who have fueled the Brexit embrace will likely increase consumer prices. That's just the way it is. Further, the British may have to restore some industries that have eroded and that doesn't promote economic efficiency and will also raise prices.

This wasn't about socialism per se. It may have been, working off Runnin's comment, about providing the benefits of the UK social safety net to refugees and immigrants, but Norway never joined the EU and they have one of the most bountiful safety nets in the world. Margaret Thatcher, hardly a hard core socialist, was one of the biggest promoters of greater European integration. England pretty much invented the modern mercantile state and this move runs counter to that.
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It could also work in UK's favor as they will now be able to negotiate their own trade agreements and my guess is that they will be much more competitive than the EU... They were already off the EU currency and that was a brilliant economic decision. There may be some short term pain, but long term, having control over your own economic country is preferable if you philosophically disagree with the direction of the EU.

There will be more to come. The EU was already cracking and now may being to crumble. It has stunted economic due to insane bureaucracy and government regulations... As it breaks up, my bet is that it will lead to greater to economic growth over the long haul.

We'll see.
 
sturg33 said:
Or the UK got tired of paying for all of the EU's nonsensical regulations and spending. I posted a video from a UK leader saying just that

But hey, the government said it'd bad for the people, so it must be terrible!
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There's truth to that, but I still think it's going to hurt the UK, especially if Scotland leaves. They are a financial center that has moved away from pulling natural resources out of the ground and manufacturing things. I think that hardly puts them at an advantage moving forward.

I predicted the EU's demise last summer during the refugee crisis. Nothing has changed my mind.

But you're a free trader and trade agreements run counter to free trade regardless of who gains an advantage as a result of the deal. I still think the downside is the working class voters who fueled the exit simply aren't going to see an improvement in their lives because the world has passed them by.
 
even if the UK is tired of the EU regulation (as if the UK is regulated similarly)

they are still going to play by its rules cause over half their trade is with the EU

and now, they lose out trading and jobs etc by having to pay to do that trade when it was free cause it was part of the eu
 
goldfly said:
even if the UK is tired of the EU regulation (as if the UK is regulated similarly)

they are still going to play by its rules cause over half their trade is with the EU

and now, they lose out trading and jobs etc by having to pay to do that trade when it was free cause it was part of the eu
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I get the angst over NAFTA and TPP (and some of it is not misplaced), but vast swaths of the industrial workforce simply isn't going to be able to turn back the clock due to automation and other dynamics.

The whole Brexit thing is like peeling an onion. There are so many layers to it and it's one of those times--much like the isolated point where Sanders and Trump meet ideologically--when the odd bedfellows of politics managed to cobble together a majority.
 
50PoundHead said:
I get the angst over NAFTA and TPP (and some of it is not misplaced), but vast swaths of the industrial workforce simply isn't going to be able to turn back the clock due to automation and other dynamics.

The whole Brexit thing is like peeling an onion. There are so many layers to it and it's one of those times--much like the isolated point where Sanders and Trump meet ideologically--when the odd bedfellows of politics managed to cobble together a majority.
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You know Ogres also have layers!!!

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zitothebrave said:
Also a leader in Texas secession wants out. I hope they go. When we pull out all our government resources, Texas will get ****ed. Their lone help will be if companies move there because it will basically be a slave state.
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I would be all for it. We don't need he rest of you dragging us down.
 
I've had the privilege of being in London probably a half a dozen times over the past 20-25 years. I'll say this, it's changed a whole lot. I'm not anti-immigrant at all, but I can understand something of the concerns of many Brits.
 
BedellBrave said:
I've had the privilege of being in London probably a half a dozen times over the past 20-25 years. I'll say this, it's changed a whole lot. I'm not anti-immigrant at all, but I can understand something of the concerns of many Brits.
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more so than say New York , Chicago or LA ?
Paris , Berlin or Rome ?
 
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