United Kingdom To European Union: Buh Bye!

goldfly said:
cause it doesn't make sense
it was done by old people who won't really have to live long with this choice either

the change in trade, tariffs that will happen now while also having to still play by the EU rules cause over half of your trade is with the EU

the ease of getting whomever you wanted to work for you (aka the brightest and the best) is now thrown out the window or now made much harder to do.

in uncharted waters and we shall see what happens and what deals are struck but the fear of immigrants from old brits doesn't outweigh the harm it can/has done economically

the socialism angle is the oddest and absurd. that socialism lost? do the people that say that not know anything about the UK and how their country is setup?
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I will come back to this post, and thanks for the reply.
 
goldfly said:
I just thought it was those 2 that were saying it is a loss to socialism

i have now come to find out that is the talking point across the right wing people in this country.
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It is a loss for socialism. The Brits are sick of their country having to support itself as well as fiscally irresponsible nations like Greece, Italy and Spain. They are sick of the EU's endless, mindless bureaucracy and stupidity. They are sick of of not being their own nation and having to listen to those retards in Brussels. They are having their independence from an antiquated, worthless load of 70's left wing rubbish!

Of course young people voted against it. Young people are stupid, entitled, inexperienced, selfish and unable to think further down the road than their next weekend. I don't want to live in a world where young people make decisions for the rest of us. That's how we end up with hilariously impractical promise driven, populist retards like Bernie Sanders. (the poster child for being an entitled worthless child, he just never grew up and became a politician instead).

The left's views on fiscal policy and govt are not a practical long term, the soviets taught us that long time ago. You will lose, and you should. Your time is over.

now if we could just get the theocrats out of the GOP we could actually get something done in the world.

P.S. my favorite thing about Brexit today was how all these spoiled entitled babies signed some online petition trying to get another vote. It's such a summation of the left in one neat little bow! "I didn't get my way let me throw a tantrum and march around and start petitions until I do!!!" such children. anyone who could be a fiscal left winger is too much a tiddy baby to be taken seriously.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I would be all for it. We don't need he rest of you dragging us down.
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By "dragging us down" you mean where Texas has several major industries in defense, aeronautics, and defense contracting that would cease operations immediately and be left in shambles by the US government? Texas is ranked 29th in terms of dependence on the Federal Government as well. Far cry from the 49th that is California or 41st that is New York.

I appreciate the Texas confidence, but Texas has no hope on it's own. Once it leaves the US the Cartels will move on them immediately and the streets will be dangerous as hell. And no one will GAF. ALso the big money makesrs for Texas like Houston being a huge port, will move just slightly to Louisiana and Alabama. As far as Oil, they'll remain productive but expect the US to drink as much of their Milk Shake as possible. Add in th emassive exodus of businesses who're in Texas for th etax benefits but want to be in the USA and you'd have a truly epic failure. ANd I wouldn't even accept them back in if the seceded. We can easily turn Florida into another Texas.
 
bravos4evr said:
It is a loss for socialism.
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But it really isn't. It's a loss for open markets. Not to mention of all the countries in EU, UK had a sweet deal. They get a rebate for 66% of their previous year's contribution.

They hardly were paying for Greece or whatever **** you're talking about in your post. You should do some basic research. greece and Spain were hurt by EU and the Euro, so of course the EU was going to placate them.

That being said, we'll see what happens. I guess UK loses more money in business and taxes (with the loss of Scotland and Northern Ireland) than they did paying for "Greece"
 
zitothebrave said:
But it really isn't. It's a loss for open markets. Not to mention of all the countries in EU, UK had a sweet deal. They get a rebate for 66% of their previous year's contribution.

They hardly were paying for Greece or whatever **** you're talking about in your post. You should do some basic research. greece and Spain were hurt by EU and the Euro, so of course the EU was going to placate them.

That being said, we'll see what happens. I guess UK loses more money in business and taxes (with the loss of Scotland and Northern Ireland) than they did paying for "Greece"
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This really has nothing to do with socialism. It may have something to do with the different applications of socialism in the various European countries and the enhanced safety net that's in place in Europe and the stress that immigration has put on those systems, but if anyone thinks that the working class voters who voted for Britain to leave the EU thought they were voting for a reduction in the government programs they consume, they are likely off base.
 
goldfly said:
cause it doesn't make sense

it was done by old people who won't really have to live long with this choice either

the change in trade, tariffs that will happen now while also having to still play by the EU rules cause over half of your trade is with the EU

the ease of getting whomever you wanted to work for you (aka the brightest and the best) is now thrown out the window or now made much harder to do.

in uncharted waters and we shall see what happens and what deals are struck but the fear of immigrants from old brits doesn't outweigh the harm it can/has done economically

the socialism angle is the oddest and absurd. that socialism lost? do the people that say that not know anything about the UK and how their country is setup?
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- I think the change in trade and tarriff's could be a benefit to GB, now that they aren't burdened by import tarriff's set by the EU and trade agreements that are difficult to negotiate. And they won't have to play by EU rules. The EU needs GB just as much as GB needs EU if not moreso. There's a reason the elites and the big banks are so upset about this. They know that this could be the end of the EU. GB has plenty of leverage to work out a good trade deal. Keep in mind that countries in Europe that are outside the EU have done pretty well.

- When GB renegotiates with the EU they could still negotiate some form of interstate commerce that includes freedom to travel to and from GB from certain countries. But if GB is able to thrive outside of the bureaucratic hindrance that the EU has been to GB and compete with the US when it comes to technology then believe me, GB will attract some of the best people.

- And my original point was that change is scary and perhaps this could encourage US voters to take a wild leap as well. But change can certainly be good. The people that are most scared of it are the big banks and the elites. Imo, GB is better off as a sovereign nation not bound by EU guidelines. Britain has a better system of government than the EU, imo.

- I think globalization lost and I think the end goal of globalists is to setup a more socialistic government. To me the EU represents the slow crawl toward socialism that Hillary supports, whether she means too or not.

- I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to protect and maintain borders. You and some folks on this board essentially accuse everyone who is against certain immigrants from coming across the border as racist. You say that we just don't want "brown people" coming over. It's a shame that you do that, because accusing people of racism without evidence is a form of fascism. It's a way to shut down speech by those you disagree with. And it's not true as there isn't a push to keep out legal immigrants from Asia, India or even Mexico for that matter. In the case of Britain, there isn't a desire to keep "brown people" out of the country, but rather keep Sharia Law out of the country. A country can only take in so many practicing muslims, before those muslims begin to make the country regressive, unless of course those muslims aren't very religious.
 
BedellBrave said:
I've had the privilege of being in London probably a half a dozen times over the past 20-25 years. I'll say this, it's changed a whole lot. I'm not anti-immigrant at all, but I can understand something of the concerns of many Brits.
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57Brave said:
more so than say New York , Chicago or LA ?

Paris , Berlin or Rome ?
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Yes, according to all the Londoners I spoke with in Myanmar—who were already looking ahead to this referendum way back in March. To an individual, they were against the British Exit, and felt immigration had done much to enrich the UK both economically and socially; but they also were aware of the sea-changes, especially in the greater London metro, and therefore—despite disagreeing—were at least partially sympathetic to the reactionary impulses of their Exit-minded countrymen.
 
Here's an interesting chart showing income disparity in the UK and I wonder how this would dovetail with the stay/leave vote on EU membership. My guess is the North voted to go and the South voted to stay. I went to public policy school and I have long felt that one of the great shortcomings is that policy makers have reverted to equations and a casual "trust us, we know equations" attitude as opposed to working more closely on policy with those affected by changes. Huge (Yuge maybe) wall of distrust between the elites and those below.

I guess I should include the link: https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
 
57Brave said:
more so than say New York , Chicago or LA ?

Paris , Berlin or Rome ?
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London and a lot of Europe is for sure more than NYC, Chicago or LA

Europe is a different animal for the topic imo

will be heading to Spain in about 12 hours oddly enough
 
50PoundHead said:
This really has nothing to do with socialism. It may have something to do with the different applications of socialism in the various European countries and the enhanced safety net that's in place in Europe and the stress that immigration has put on those systems, but if anyone thinks that the working class voters who voted for Britain to leave the EU thought they were voting for a reduction in the government programs they consume, they are likely off base.
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It has to do with socialism only in that a lot of Leave voters want their socialism confined to their island.
 
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