Varvaro traded to Red Sox for RHP Kurcz

Interesting move. I like it more than cutting Varvaro for 40 man space (clearing space for trade potential trade haul would be my guess) I'm not opposed to this move, but I would have rather just not signed Jim Johnson. That would have made more sense JMO.

As it is for pen we have several guys as options

Kimbrel
Johnson
Carpenter
Russell (who really should be traded) are all locks, and likely you have
Simmons
Thomas
Shrieve
Arodys
Vizcaino
Jaime
Hale

Lots of opportunity there, Braves won't have terrible pen, Varvaro leaving won't make or break it. Just lots of perplexing moves for the Braves its like they're trying to pray to win in 2015 all the while looking donw the road wasting resources on the former and not going all in one way or the other.
 
zitothebrave said:
Interesting move. I like it more than cutting Varvaro for 40 man space (clearing space for trade potential trade haul would be my guess) I'm not opposed to this move, but I would have rather just not signed Jim Johnson. That would have made more sense JMO.

As it is for pen we have several guys as options

Kimbrel

Johnson

Carpenter

Russell (who really should be traded) are all locks, and likely you have

Simmons

Thomas

Shrieve

Arodys

Vizcaino

Jaime

Hale

Lots of opportunity there, Braves won't have terrible pen, Varvaro leaving won't make or break it. Just lots of perplexing moves for the Braves its like they're trying to pray to win in 2015 all the while looking donw the road wasting resources on the former and not going all in one way or the other.
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I mean, back to back?
 
Before I go off on a tangent, I will try to get some reasoning.

We sign Jim Johnson for 1.6 million and trade the superior reliever in Varvaro (cheap and under control for 4 years). Varvaro is a legitimate 7th inning guy and we trade him for possibly a 7th inning guy

I need some type of logic
 
clvclv said:
That's what I'm missing I guess - why a team that's trying to trade its best player and restructure its roster with younger players who are going to be ready to compete in 2 years worries about having a "proven 7th inning reliever". Varvaros are all over the place and are not hard to find. In the event we land someone to take the 5th spot in the rotation from him, Hale's a much better option.
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I could understand this if Varvaro was in his arbitration years but he cost around league minimum this year. What's the downside to keeping him? Why would the Red Sox even want him of he was a dime a dozen. This isn't a good team dumping a player to a bad tram it's a bad team dumping a player to a team that is trying to win the world series. On top of that we gave 3 possibly 4 times as much money based on incentives to Dan **** ing Kolb 2.0. The Klobster didn't get 1.7 million on a major league deal after his abortion of a season and Johnson actually found a way to be worse than Kolb.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I could understand this if Varvaro was in his arbitration years but he cost around league minimum this year. What's the downside to keeping him? Why would the Red Sox even want him of he was a dime a dozen. This isn't a good team dumping a player to a bad tram it's a bad team dumping a player to a team that is trying to win the world series. On top of that we gave 3 possibly 4 times as much money based on incentives to Dan **** ing Kolb 2.0. The Klobster didn't get 1.7 million on a major league deal after his abortion of a season and Johnson actually found a way to be worse than Kolb.
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I've never been a fan of the Johnson signing either, but the two moves have nothing to do with one another - you have to separate them.

Johnson was signed in the hopes that Roger can somehow turn him around (whether any of us believe that's possible or not) and he can be moved midseason for something of value.

We needed a roster spot and Hart & Company apparently hope that Johnson will bring back a better return in July.
 
In a way you have to look at this as a trade for kurcshtchsz (spelling?) and another person on the 40 man we would other wise have to waive.

For those wondering about Constanza. Well he's a near certainty to get dropped as soon other deals are finalized.
 
gilesfan said:
Before I go off on a tangent, I will try to get some reasoning.

We sign Jim Johnson for 1.6 million and trade the superior reliever in Varvaro (cheap and under control for 4 years). Varvaro is a legitimate 7th inning guy and we trade him for possibly a 7th inning guy

I need some type of logic
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This
 
gilesfan said:
Before I go off on a tangent, I will try to get some reasoning.

We sign Jim Johnson for 1.6 million and trade the superior reliever in Varvaro (cheap and under control for 4 years). Varvaro is a legitimate 7th inning guy and we trade him for possibly a 7th inning guy

I need some type of logic
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If you read this thread, this has been discussed quite extensively. Whether you agree or disagree is another matter entirely.
 
gilesfan said:
So the hope is Roger can transform Johnson into.....what Varvaro is?
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I don't think its Roger's job to turn a ground ball specialist to a guy who doesn't generate ground balls, no. I think it is more along the lines of picking a guy up for cheap and trying to rebuild his value. Pre-2014, Johnson was a very valuable reliever.
 
Varvaro's numbers are pretty closer-worthy. Should have just traded Kimbrel and made Varvaro closer, amirite?
 
chop2chip said:
I don't think its Roger's job to turn a ground ball specialist to a guy who doesn't generate ground balls, no. I think it is more along the lines of picking a guy up for cheap and trying to rebuild his value. Pre-2014, Johnson was a very valuable reliever.
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So the idea is to pay more for 1 year of an older reliever because he gets more groundballs?
 
chop2chip said:
I think it's more sell high, buy low then sell high again.
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Do you think the Braves will get anything of significance for Jim Johnson? You just saw the market for an at worse equal reliever, that is younger with cheap, cost controlled salary.
 
And the Johns form a circle with their new young friend Coppy and Bobby and continue their offseason of vigorous masturbation - The Braves Way.

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Tapate50 said:
The idea is to pick up a useful backend piece on the cheap, fix him, and flip him for controllable assets at the deadline.
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And what if he's Dan Kolb part 2?

Will the controllable assets you get from 2 months of Johnson (assuming he's fixed) be better than Valvaro?
 
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