Viz and Teheran listed as top trade candidates

I have changed my mind on trading Julio. I wouldn't do it unless absolutely blown away and even then I would hesitate. What ever the problem was last year seems of the past and over. At some point to build a winner you have to start to build at the ML level. Besides I don't think any return for him gets the club better in the short term. It just pushes contention down the road.
 
Teheran makes it harder to trade him every time he takes the mound. His velocity seems to be up too. Something seems to have just clicked.
 
They'll treat Julio like they did Shelby. They'll talk to teams, but they're not going to trade him unless they get back something hilarious.
 
I dont even know if i'd trade Julio.

You need good players, and with how team friendly his contract is, i'd just keep him.
 
Not big on Benetinidi or Gallo as a main return. With how good Julios been.

Cubs if they'd trade for him have a ton of trade assets but Hammel/Hendricks have been rock solid.

Schwarber, Contreras among some others.
 
Hudson2 said:
Teheran makes it harder to trade him every time he takes the mound. His velocity seems to be up too. Something seems to have just clicked.
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I agree.... I also think the point many here are making is that his rise in value to us makes the potential haul for trading him even higher too. Nobody wants to trade him just to move him. He is only tradeable if the trade moves the needle on the offense in a big way, and soon.

Otherwise keep him and build our staff around him.
 
Enscheff said:
This is sound reasoning, but only if the goal is to compete in 2017. If they plan on punting in 2017 then it makes sense to trade Julio's present production for the future production of a younger guy.

I'm still on the fence about whether or not to punt 2017. It all hinges on how well Albies and Swanson progress the second half of this year. If they don't show they are ready for MLB action in 2017, then nothing the FO does can make the team competitive next year. If that's the case then it makes sense to trade Julio's "now" for someone like Bregman's future contributions.
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This is the whole situation in a nutshell, isn't it?

I'm not trying to "talk down" anyone else's prospects in any way. The point is that he's the most valuable chip that might be "available", and given their contract statuses he might still be IF Oakland makes Gray available. Right now, he is "the guy". I thought Joe's comment today was perfect - "he might not be what some people consider an 'Ace', but he's OUR 'Ace'."

I completely understand the current definition of an "Ace", and I'm as guilty of falling in love with radar gun readings as the next guy, but I watched almost every start of Maddux and Glavine's Braves' careers. Those guys are legitimate comps for Teheran at this point in his career IMO, so the question for me becomes "would you have traded a 25 year old Maddux or Glavine for a Benintendi/Bregman/Meadows?"

Pretty easy answer for me - until they show a lot more, I'll pass.
 
clvclv said:
This is the whole situation in a nutshell, isn't it?

I'm not trying to "talk down" anyone else's prospects in any way. The point is that he's the most valuable chip that might be "available", and given their contract statuses he might still be IF Oakland makes Gray available. Right now, he is "the guy". I thought Joe's comment today was perfect - "he might not be what some people consider an 'Ace', but he's OUR 'Ace'."

I completely understand the current definition of an "Ace", and I'm as guilty of falling in love with radar gun readings as the next guy, but I watched almost every start of Maddux and Glavine's Braves' careers. Those guys are legitimate comps for Teheran at this point in his career IMO, so the question for me becomes "would you have traded a 25 year old Maddux or Glavine for a Benintendi/Bregman/Meadows?"

Pretty easy answer for me - until they show a lot more, I'll pass.
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If the Red Sox were to pony up Moncada AND Benintendi+ I'd definitely take that! The Braves need good hitter. The Braves have a ton of pitching but are in desperate need of hitting but I totally understand what you're saying though. It would be tough to trade Teheran he's such a great pitcher and person plus he's been with the organization his entire career. I would love to keep him BUT if there's another Miller type deal out there I'd take it and wouldn't think twice!
 
Sandoval has something like 60 million owed over 4 years stRting nxt yr. if we can dump markakis we could pay it.

I wouldn't want to do it. But if we can get a top 5 Red Sox hitter I would look hard at it.
 
There was no way the Pirates were gonna trade Cole. And with what the Marlons were rumored to have wanted from the Dodgers and DBacks I can see why. Which is good for us bc Teheran will cost just a little less than those 2.
 
clvclv said:
This is the whole situation in a nutshell, isn't it?

I'm not trying to "talk down" anyone else's prospects in any way. The point is that he's the most valuable chip that might be "available", and given their contract statuses he might still be IF Oakland makes Gray available. Right now, he is "the guy". I thought Joe's comment today was perfect - "he might not be what some people consider an 'Ace', but he's OUR 'Ace'."

I completely understand the current definition of an "Ace", and I'm as guilty of falling in love with radar gun readings as the next guy, but I watched almost every start of Maddux and Glavine's Braves' careers. Those guys are legitimate comps for Teheran at this point in his career IMO, so the question for me becomes "would you have traded a 25 year old Maddux or Glavine for a Benintendi/Bregman/Meadows?"

Pretty easy answer for me - until they show a lot more, I'll pass.
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The problem with this is that his performance so far in his career doesn't suggest he's the next Maddux or Glavine. I could say that Benintendi/Bregman remind me of some Hall of Famer and ask if you'd trade Mat Latos for that player. We don't know what any of these players will end up being, so we have to use their performance thus far and where the players would line up with our needs and timeline. That's why I want to trade Julio for an elite hitting prospect.
 
mqt said:
The problem with this is that his performance so far in his career doesn't suggest he's the next Maddux or Glavine. I could say that Benintendi/Bregman remind me of some Hall of Famer and ask if you'd trade Mat Latos for that player. We don't know what any of these players will end up being, so we have to use their performance thus far and where the players would line up with our needs and timeline. That's why I want to trade Julio for an elite hitting prospect.
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You just said a key word in all that PROSPECT. Julio is already proven himself in MLB.
 
mqt said:
The problem with this is that his performance so far in his career doesn't suggest he's the next Maddux or Glavine. I could say that Benintendi/Bregman remind me of some Hall of Famer and ask if you'd trade Mat Latos for that player. We don't know what any of these players will end up being, so we have to use their performance thus far and where the players would line up with our needs and timeline. That's why I want to trade Julio for an elite hitting prospect.
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No one looked at Maddux early in his career Ike he was a future 300 game winner and future first ballot hall of famer either. The Cubs let him go because hey didn't think he would continue to be that good. He had like 500 innings pitched in his last 2 years as a Cub and they had concerns about that too. Maddux and Glavine were prospects that would have the dreaded "back end of the rotation" ceiling label with a chance to be a mid rotation starter.
 
cajunrevenge said:
No one looked at Maddux early in his career Ike he was a future 300 game winner and future first ballot hall of famer either. The Cubs let him go because hey didn't think he would continue to be that good. He had like 500 innings pitched in his last 2 years as a Cub and they had concerns about that too. Maddux and Glavine were prospects that would have the dreaded "back end of the rotation" ceiling label with a chance to be a mid rotation starter.
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Maddux was a top 10 prospect when he was in the Cubs system, IDK exactly Glavine's ranking, but it was high too.
 
bravos4evr said:
Maddux was a top 10 prospect when he was in the Cubs system, IDK exactly Glavine's ranking, but it was high too.
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He was a top 10 prospect in their system... Not in baseball. And never above 5. That's not that big of a deal... Especially in the late 80s... Maddux was not very heralded at all.
 
I?t's impossible to measure how much Teheran's stock went up on the trade market with Sunday's performance.
 
zbhargrove said:
He was a top 10 prospect in their system... Not in baseball. And never above 5. That's not that big of a deal... Especially in the late 80s... Maddux was not very heralded at all.
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well, this is from BA "He first popped on to Baseball America’s radar late in 1986 as he was chosen for the Triple-A American Association’s top 10. He was No. 6, behind Ruben Sierra, Barry Larkin, Dave Martinez, Daryl Boston and Joe Magrane"

so, he was pretty highly thought of
 
So 6th best prospect at AAA?

Edit - Glavine was a second round pick and also highly thought of hockey player. That's not where you draft players with first ballot hall of fame ceilings. I bet his scouting report read "good pitcher but will never be anything special".
 
cajunrevenge said:
No one looked at Maddux early in his career Ike he was a future 300 game winner and future first ballot hall of famer either. The Cubs let him go because hey didn't think he would continue to be that good. He had like 500 innings pitched in his last 2 years as a Cub and they had concerns about that too. Maddux and Glavine were prospects that would have the dreaded "back end of the rotation" ceiling label with a chance to be a mid rotation starter.
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Is this based off any actual evidence/articles or just your opinion? 500 innings pitched in two years was not anywhere near uncommon 25 years ago. And Maddux just won the Cy Young. And while it's impossible to predict he would win 300 games, it's also unlikely the Cubs thought he was going to regress into a back of the rotation pitcher or get a major injury. Maddux was pretty well thought of as a prospect.
 
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