Well that's why they pretty much won't move him (I'll never doubt Dombrowski's ability to be a dummy 100% though, there is a chance they break down and trade him, just not much of one). I can't see them moving Shaw in a deal simply because they have no replacement, that would be two steps forward, one step back type deal for them in the middle of the playoff hunt. Now in the offseason I could see that, as Moncada should be ready next year sometime.
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Well that's why they pretty much won't move him (I'll never doubt Dombrowski's ability to be a dummy 100% though, there is a chance they break down and trade him, just not much of one). I can't see them moving Shaw in a deal simply because they have no replacement, that would be two steps forward, one step back type deal for them in the middle of the playoff hunt. Now in the offseason I could see that, as Moncada should be ready next year sometime.
Russ2dollas
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Maybe those are the stars that have to align. No deal this yr. Dix bounced early. Monada is ready and shaw and bentindi are available in the off season
Shaw and Benintendi would be a pretty interesting return for Julio. Shaw would bridge the gap to Maitan at 3B very nicely.
50PoundHead
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I don't think Shaw is a true 3B and I wonder if his bat will hold up. He's really leveled off after a hot start. If I'm the Braves, I don't know if Shaw fits with us long term and if we are trading Teheran, I want someone who is a potential long term asset coming back.
The bat does have some concerns for sure, but why do you not think he's able to stay at 3B? He's been above average there so far.
Russ2dollas
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Iirc law said Tehran for bentindi was a massive sox overpay. Monada is likely untouchable. We aren't getting meadows strait up either
Correct. And Texas wouldn't deal Profar straight up for him. The overrating of Teheran's value here continues.
zbhargrove
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The Red Sox have nowhere said Moncada is untouchable... in fact Dombroski acknowledged he may have to deal Moncada or Benintendi in order to get the caliber of SP they are likely to target. I posted the Boston Herald link yesterday.
zbhargrove
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The fact is we do not know if Texas would deal Profar for him or not... this was the snippet from Rosenthal's report that everyone references this rumor from:
"Problem is, young position players have become so valuable, a source with knowledge of the Rangers' thinking said the team would not make such a deal, in part because Texas does not think all that highly of Teheran."
So the deal was never offered... a source with knowlege of the Rangers' thinking (not even a source inside the Rangers apparently if they just have knowledge) said they would not make the deal if it was offered... not that it was offered. It helps to read these stories instead of just saying, "Texas wouldn't deal Profar straight up for him."
Also noted is that this so called "source" states that the Rangers aren't high on Teheran... that would be different for the Red Sox who are definitely high on Teheran considering one of the main guys in charge gave him his current contract and signed him.
You are severely underrating Teheran... a known commodity.
Hudson2
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Then we keep him. Simple.
zbhargrove
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Yes I don't know why this is so hard to understand... ask the moon, if you don't get it... don't deal him. No one is saying Moncada is coming for Teheran, we're just saying don't deal him unless something similar is coming back.
Hudson2
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Exactly. We don't have to make any deal involving Teheran. If somebody doesn't OVERpay then he remains a Brave. I bet nobody thought Swanson would be traded either this time last year...
We don't need somebody to overpay, we don't need to win in a landslide - we just need fair value.
We have to fix this offense, we've spent the majority of our rebuild stockpiling pitchers and JTs value will never be higher - the time is now to deal him and I wouldn't need Moncada.
That doesn't mean you settle, get a pacakage around Bentendi if the FO believes in him, or get a package from Houston.
I would obviously love Moncada, but they aren't dealing him for Tehrean and they shouldn't.
We have to fix this offense, we've spent the majority of our rebuild stockpiling pitchers and JTs value will never be higher - the time is now to deal him and I wouldn't need Moncada.
That doesn't mean you settle, get a pacakage around Bentendi if the FO believes in him, or get a package from Houston.
I would obviously love Moncada, but they aren't dealing him for Tehrean and they shouldn't.
zbhargrove
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So you're up for Wisler and Folty being your 1 and 2 then? Really?
For next year? Sure, we aren't competing next year anyway, but in the bigger picture, I'm counting on guys like Allard/Newcombe/Soroka/Fried and others to be our aces.
What's the point of stockpiling pitching if we can't expect some of it to pan out??? If that's the case this rebuild fails anyway.
Tehrean can help fix the offense, something that doesn't have as many internal options to fix.
The other side of this argument is the offense. If we keep Teheran and Freeman, how do we fix the offense without signing 30+ year olds from a bad free agent class? We've ignored bats in the trade market to load up on arms. How else do we get bats?
Exactly, this is pretty much where I'm at as well. If we aren't able to find an Ace and 2 more #2 starter types from all the young pitchers we've drafted or traded for so far then our front office sucks at evaluating talent and it's not going to matter what we do with Julio anyway.
The thing that amazes me is the discounting of a prospect like Benintendi on here, I'm not sure if it's more amusing or sad. He's better and has more upside than any offensive player in our minors outside of possibly Maitan, yet people are saying we have to have Moncada or else. Nobody is saying trade Julio just to trade him, but there are other good offensive prospect options other than the best prospect in baseball, we can get a very good deal from the Red Sox without getting Moncada included.
zbhargrove
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Go look at how many high ceiling SP prospects actually become aces or even number 2's... even if all of our guys were in the top 10 pitching prospects in baseball, the most optimistic turn out would be that only one or two get close to their ceiling. If you are "expecting" 3 of those guys to be 1 ace and 2 number 2's... you're going to likely be disappointed unless we are very lucky.
Exactly! Tehrean isn't Jose Fernandez or Chris Sale, we probably aren't going to get the #1 prospect in baseball for him.
Doesn't mean we can't get a great package centered around a guy like Benintendi.