We need a new manager!!!

50PoundHead said:
If you are going to be a cost-conscious team, you don't sign a guy who is going to likely trend down to a four-year extension at $13 million per year. Uggla has his strengths, but athleticism isn't one of them and those guys--like Rob Deer and Gorman Thomas before him--tend to fall off the table. I always doubted that we were going to get full value from the Uggla contract and if you are in the budget situation we are in (supposedly) you have to avoid contracts like that one. As for Upton, Wren offered him a contract that was above his market value (or at least that is what most insiders say).Sorry, I'm just not a Wren guy. I worry that the same thing will happen here that happened to him in Baltimore. Granted, Angelos meddled, but Wren didn't do a great job there either.
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The reality is if you're going to sign any free agent there's a good chance you're going to over pay. It's very difficult to win soley on prospects that you develop through the organization because just as every free agent you sign doesn't pan out, every prospect doesn't. If you predicted Uggla was going to perform the way he has over the past 2 1/2 seasons and that BJ Upton was going to have the season he did, you should start playing the lottery. I think BJ will rebound next year. I have no idea what's happened to Uggla and based on Chippers comments on the radio yesterday, no one does. Uggla is 33 and his drastic decline at that age is not the norm.

There's a segment of fans that disliked Cox and Scherholtz and now dislike Wren and Fredi. For those who fall into that category I have to wonder if the Braves have ever had managment that they liked?
 
Can someone please provide a short list of managers that are attainable and could have realistically made this team better than a 96 win team this year? I'm waiting.....
 
Tony LaRussa
Dusty Baker
Tommy LaSorda
Jimmy Riggleman
Davey Johnson
Kate Upton

never mind.......
 
Like someone else here, I cant imagine that BJ wont rebound. Simply no excuse for his falling off the cliff. Uggla, I can speculate a lot about what his problems stem from but it would be totally speculation.

I wonder if all the injuries that are being carried by the payroll had something to do with no action at the trade deadline. Not all teams carry insurance, deciding in house to self-insure is pretty normal for (what we would consider) low cost contracts. Pena, Pastornicky, Venters, OFlay, Martinez, Hudson all went on the season ending DL before the deadline.
 
NYCBrave said:
Can someone please provide a short list of managers that are attainable and could have realistically made this team better than a 96 win team this year? I'm waiting.....
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There are plenty of managers that could've won with this team. The Braves have a very talented young team that proved to have a lot more depth than anyone thought (a lot of credit goes to our player development and drafting, etc). Keep in mind, Fredi is the same manager that allowed Loe to start for us. That was as bad a move as it gets and we only lost first overall in the NL by a single game. Further, Fredi isn't going anywhere nor was the loss last night his fault. We could get swept and he'd still be here next year because we won the division. Managers don't get fired after winning a division no matter how the playoffs go.
 
ProbationDeac said:
The reality is if you're going to sign any free agent there's a good chance you're going to over pay. It's very difficult to win soley on prospects that you develop through the organization because just as every free agent you sign doesn't pan out, every prospect doesn't. If you predicted Uggla was going to perform the way he has over the past 2 1/2 seasons and that BJ Upton was going to have the season he did, you should start playing the lottery. I think BJ will rebound next year. I have no idea what's happened to Uggla and based on Chippers comments on the radio yesterday, no one does. Uggla is 33 and his drastic decline at that age is not the norm.

There's a segment of fans that disliked Cox and Scherholtz and now dislike Wren and Fredi. For those who fall into that category I have to wonder if the Braves have ever had managment that they liked?
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Uggla's drastic decline isn't outside the norm with someone as unathletic as he is. I never thought Upton would be this bad, but he Wren overpaid.
 
Braves1976 said:
There are plenty of managers that could've won with this team. The Braves have a very talented young team that proved to have a lot more depth than anyone thought (a lot of credit goes to our player development and drafting, etc). Keep in mind, Fredi is the same manager that allowed Loe to start for us. That was as bad a move as it gets and we only lost first overall in the NL by a single game. Further, Fredi isn't going anywhere nor was the loss last night his fault. We could get swept and he'd still be here next year because we won the division. Managers don't get fired after winning a division no matter how the playoffs go.
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So who would have done better that's a feasible option for our team? I want names.
 
50PoundHead said:
Uggla's drastic decline isn't outside the norm with someone as unathletic as he is. I never thought Upton would be this bad, but he Wren overpaid.
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Wren didn't over pay that much.

Heyman predicted 5/60 which yeah we basically paid 25% over that, but FA predictions are generally pessimistic. Wren did overpay for BJ but considering the Lowe fiasco a few years ago, you can't really fault him for not wanting it to be without a centerfielder and it's christmas time and the market is running dry. Wren could not have known that both Span and Revere would be traded. If he did know that he would have sat back and waiting for Bossman's price to drop.
 
BJ fell apart 5 years ago. Any payday was based on still holding out hope of some fantasy potential. He wont be as bad as he was in 2013, but he won't be all that good either.
 
gilesfan said:
BJ fell apart 5 years ago. Any payday was based on still holding out hope of some fantasy potential. He wont be as bad as he was in 2013, but he won't be all that good either.
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Right, a center fielder who has a .750 OPS and nearly 30/30 while playing gold glove defense and also entering their prime is trash.
 
zitothebrave said:
Wren didn't over pay that much.

Heyman predicted 5/60 which yeah we basically paid 25% over that, but FA predictions are generally pessimistic. Wren did overpay for BJ but considering the Lowe fiasco a few years ago, you can't really fault him for not wanting it to be without a centerfielder and it's christmas time and the market is running dry. Wren could not have known that both Span and Revere would be traded. If he did know that he would have sat back and waiting for Bossman's price to drop.
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That's $3 million per year. I wouldn't have minded $15 M/year for three years. It's those extra two years that are going to be the problem.
 
NYCBrave said:
Right, a center fielder who has a .750 OPS and nearly 30/30 while playing gold glove defense and also entering their prime is trash.
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Didnt call him trash and he's not a gold glove centerfielder.

wOBA last 5 years:

.252
.323
.333
.328
.306
 
NYCBrave said:
So who would have done better that's a feasible option for our team? I want names.
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Who would've done better the year we hired Fredi? If that year is considered alone, then a better question is who could've did it any worse. Further, if you want a list a names, then that list would vary since those available in 2011 wouldn't be the same as now. I will add that back when we hired Fredi that I was among those for giving TP a shot.
 
NYCBrave said:
Right, a center fielder who has a .750 OPS and nearly 30/30 while playing gold glove defense and also entering their prime is trash.
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BJ Upton has a bad career DRS, etc. I'd hardly call his defense in centerfield worthy of a gold glove. He does have a good arm though.
 
The only problem I had was pitching to Ellis with the pitcher on deck, as well as AGon with a guy like Puig who is aggressive and can get himself out.

Im not sure what else you can do.

Is it Fredis fault we scored one run vs the best pitcher on the planet who was basically unhittable after the 5th inning?

Could give credit to the other team who is extremely good.
 
Heyward said:
The only problem I had was pitching to Ellis with the pitcher on deck, as well as AGon with a guy like Puig who is aggressive and can get himself out.

Im not sure what else you can do.

Is it Fredis fault we scored one run vs the best pitcher on the planet who was basically unhittable after the 5th inning?

Could give credit to the other team who is extremely good.
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Bottom line: Medlen needed to pitch like he did against Lee for us to beat Kershaw and that didn't even come close to happening. That's why we lost and not for anything Fredi did or didn't do.
 
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