What about Josh Donaldson?

sturg33 said:
Again - you're overvaluing Kimbrel. If he allows us to get COMPLETELY out of BJ's contract, you have to do it. The guy only pitches 60 half innings a season - or 2% of the season. If I could dump BJ (with Kimbrel), that opens up $27M a year in salary relief. That lets us sign Heyward and Justin long term, and find a nice center fielder or Starting pitcher.
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Just about every team offered that deal would take it (exceptions being those with low payrolls). That should tell you all you need to know about it.
 
I'm gonna agree with sturg. I love CK but to free up 27 million and shed BJ I'd do it. Resign Heyward and Upton and talk to Lester. He lives in Georgia and he's already said money won't be his deciding factor.
 
sturg33 said:
Again - you're overvaluing Kimbrel. If he allows us to get COMPLETELY out of BJ's contract, you have to do it. The guy only pitches 60 half innings a season - or 2% of the season. If I could dump BJ (with Kimbrel), that opens up $27M a year in salary relief. That lets us sign Heyward and Justin long term, and find a nice center fielder or Starting pitcher.
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You're creating 2 holes. Money would be nice, but I'd rather have Kimbrel below market value. Maybe if we got something in return like Castellanos
 
Hudson2 said:
I'm gonna agree with sturg. I love CK but to free up 27 million and shed BJ I'd do it. Resign Heyward and Upton and talk to Lester. He lives in Georgia and he's already said money won't be his deciding factor.
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Lester is gonna sign for big money.Give up your dream. He's gonna look for Hamels money for sure. He may say money isn't his deciding factor, but the union will pressure him and it will be.
 
Hudson2 said:
I'm gonna agree with sturg. I love CK but to free up 27 million and shed BJ I'd do it. Resign Heyward and Upton and talk to Lester. He lives in Georgia and he's already said money won't be his deciding factor.
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Lester is gonna want/get bank.

Expect him to sign around 6 years, 130 million or 7 years, 150+ million.

Lefty, in his prime, durable.

Money is always the deciding factor.

And i've said i'd trade Kimbrel in the past but even if it gets you out of BJ's deal you dont give him away like that, no way.
 
Enscheff said:
That is verging on a Tex-level package. No way. You are essentially giving up the long term solution at 2B/3B/CF, plus a quality setup guy, plus a long term solution in the middle of the rotation to get Gattis-level offensive production at 3B, while basically replacing CJ's terrible offense with CB's even worse offense.

The team becomes marginally better (if at all) in the short term, and is significantly worse in the long term.

If the Braves want to extend Justin and/or Heyward, they are going to need cheap solutions like Peraza, Sims and Shae at several roster spots. The only way a trade like this makes sense is if Justin or Jason are traded this offseason and Donaldson is brought in to replace that lost production, but in that scenario you still can't afford to lose the production of Gattis.
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You have to give to get, and Donaldson is the best 3b at the moment. And he's controlled til 2019.

I don't see how the team is only marginally betterb in the short term. We go from one of the worst 3b I the league, to the best. And upgrade tremendously on defense at catcher and 3b.
 
I love Donaldson, the risk though is a ton of his value is defensively. Which at 3B can be very insane. Though I think he's awesome, there's a lot of risk with him. I would trde a haul for him but not as the OP suggested after trading Jason/Justin. I'd do it with them on the team cause honestly building for 2015 may just be the wisest thing to do as if we don't have the funds to right now to keep the two of them, we're not winning **** in 2016 and beyond until we suck long enough to win draft high.
 
Not totally true. If u did have to trade one of Upton or Heyward then ur gonna get value back. Multiple value players. And salary to spend on other talent to help replace them to. But if Heyward says no thanks on an extension then no way I let him walk for a supplemental pick. I'd trade him for multiple players that would help me at other positions. JD would be a short term and long term answer
 
Hudson2 said:
Not totally true. If u did have to trade one of Upton or Heyward then ur gonna get value back. Multiple value players. And salary to spend on other talent to help replace them to. But if Heyward says no thanks on an extension then no way I let him walk for a supplemental pick. I'd trade him for multiple players that would help me at other positions. JD would be a short term and long term answer
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If we trade Jason or Justin we're gonna get an inferior player and prospect like we offered when we got Justin where we sent a major leaguer and one legit prospect Except that was for 3 years of Justin so we'd be lucky to get one Prado type at the end of his contract. Or we take prospects. And maybe they don't pan out.

I'd let him walk for a pick. We don't have much of a shot long term, even if we get prospects who pan out, what are the odds they're Jason/Justin good? I'd say pretty slim if not non existent.
 
zitothebrave said:
If we trade Jason or Justin we're gonna get an inferior player and prospect like we offered when we got Justin where we sent a major leaguer and one legit prospect Except that was for 3 years of Justin so we'd be lucky to get one Prado type at the end of his contract. Or we take prospects. And maybe they don't pan out.

I'd let him walk for a pick. We don't have much of a shot long term, even if we get prospects who pan out, what are the odds they're Jason/Justin good? I'd say pretty slim if not non existent.
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SO you'd go for it with Jason/Justin, and watch them walk when it's slim we even make the playoffs.
 
Yup. Unless someone blows us away with an offer I'd take the pick and a chance at the playoffs over punting it. Though with Frediot we need the players and luck, cause we have the players already.
 
zitothebrave said:
Yup. Unless someone blows us away with an offer I'd take the pick and a chance at the playoffs over punting it. Though with Frediot we need the players and luck, cause we have the players already.
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We don't.
 
zitothebrave said:
You're creating 2 holes. Money would be nice, but I'd rather have Kimbrel below market value. Maybe if we got something in return like Castellanos
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How am I creating two holes? Losing BJ is a positive. And filling the closer spot is one we have the personnel to do (Simmons/Walden)
 
You think they can handle closing, many guys have made the jump from setup to closing and didn't hack it. And you can do much worse than Bossman in CF. It's not easy to do. But who do you put there? Aoki is the only CF FA worth a damn and he should be better, but is he better enough for Kimbrel? Assume we take the money saved lets ear mark 12 M for extending Jason and Justin, and then from that we have to ear mark say 7M for Aoki, we're then sitting at about 8M to make another move. Don't get me wrong, I see the value in your trade, long term it makes sense, short term it's a very bad trade though.
 
Not sure who will be traded but one thing I do know and that's that we will not go into the new stadium in rebuild mode.
 
Hudson2 said:
Not sure who will be traded but one thing I do know and that's that we will not go into the new stadium in rebuild mode.
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Yep, they'll have to re-sign Jason or Justin, slim chance for both not impossible.

But agreed.
 
yeezus said:
LOL ok buddy. Come on. The Royals have a much better core? A lot of teams with cores worse have had playoff success.
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I'd take the Royals core, yeah.

Sal, Hos, Escobar, Moose, Gordon, Cain, and their pitching is lights out.
 
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