What was the stupidest thing the three Johns did?

[50PoundHead]

FYI: As of Monday, Dustin Peterson is third in the Carolina League in hitting. Just sayin'

I'm with you on Dustin Peterson. 20 year old who is where he should be in terms of experience (could be argued that he's on the upper end of that). I guess what I'm saying is that there are lot of guys who for some reason or another "underplay" their draft position in their first full year as a pro. Like I said about Davidson, Peterson was one year out of high school in 2014 and I don't care who you are, that is going to entail some pretty heady lifestyle adjustments and if you're young and haven't spent two years in rookie ball, that first year can be a big jump both physically and mentally.

 

[zitothebrave]

It's pretty simple. You are claiming the equivalent of saying that David Eckstein had more power than Rafael Furcal.

Firstly, it's pointless, secondly it's inane, and thirdly it doesn't require rolling out the evidentiary red carpet.

No you're claiming that Eckstein has more raw power than Furcal when the evidence we have out there says that Furcal clearly has mroe power than Eckstein.

There is no evidence. That's why you haven't produced any. If you had any evidence other than watching Jace Peterson for a month or TLS for 2 months you would have brought it into the fold. You have none. You're now moving the goal posts because you realize you have no leg to stand on and you comparing 2 players you've barely seen play is much more moronic than looking at their minor league performances.

 

[thethe]

Based on the limited times I have seen both players I would say that Jace makes harder contact with the ball. Doesn't necessarily mean the ball travels faster but I would bet the velocity of his hit balls is faster.

 

[chop2chip]

Based on the limited times I have seen both players I would say that Jace makes harder contact with the ball. Doesn't necessarily mean the ball travels faster but I would bet the velocity of his hit balls is faster.

Does that fit the data? Based off what you posted the other day Jace had one of the lowest in the team.

Although, that may have changed since his hot streak.

 

[rico43]

Based on the limited times I have seen both players I would say that Jace makes harder contact with the ball. Doesn't necessarily mean the ball travels faster but I would bet the velocity of his hit balls is faster.

These are called "line drives." And I agree.

 

[Orphan Black]

Yeah...been a struggle for him so far...of course he is one that could easily only give up 4 runs the rest of the way.

Still has 17 Ks in 12.2 IP, but also has allowed 17 base runners and already 2 homers.

Did not know this.

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CBS Sports MLB ‏@CBSSportsMLB 9h9 hours ago

Blown save for Kimbrel. He's allowed eight runs in 12 1/3 IP this year after allowing 13 runs in 61 2/3 IP last year.

 

[Hawk]

There is no evidence. That's why you haven't produced any. If you had any evidence other than watching Jace Peterson for a month or TLS for 2 months you would have brought it into the fold. You have none. You're now moving the goal posts because you realize you have no leg to stand on and you comparing 2 players you've barely seen play is much more moronic than looking at their minor league performances.

I've never once claimed that watching 'Jace Peterson for a month" or 'TLS for 2 months' was the basis for my opinion, so I hope we can now dispose of that repetitous bit of fake-trumpery. But I have actually watched them play -- and am not relying strictly on a computation to gauge something that can ascertained with 5 seconds of visual analysis.

I should just start making up **** and expecting it to be treated as legitimate evidence. Because that's all that you've done in this thread outside of posting some counting numbers which aren't even conclusive enough to support your feeble thesis.

 

[smootness]

because i've been paying attention for the last ten years?

So you ask me why it's important that we got rid of BJ because you simply assume that we won't take advantage of the extra money?

Of course it will be pointless if we don't use the extra $30 million or so on other players. But we didn't really save money this year because we took on Quentin and Maybin. We will save a good bit next year and a ton in 2017. And I guarantee you we will use that money.

You're telling me our payroll come 2017 will be around $80 million?

 

[smootness]

Oh, also...gigantic LOL on this thread turning into a shouting match about who has more raw power...Jace Peterson or freaking Tommy La Stella.

The correct answer, of course, is who gives a crap. They are both fringe guys who could make it as regulars but are more likely to be bench guys. In that role, Peterson is the clearly better choice since he is an actual utility player with speed and defense.

La Stella has to hit because he doesn't offer anything else, and his power is still limited. Peterson offers speed and defense even if nothing else, so if he hits on top of that, he is a much better all-around player.

But again, the most likely role for both is coming off the bench.

 

[zitothebrave]

I've never once claimed that watching 'Jace Peterson for a month" or 'TLS for 2 months' was the basis for my opinion, so I hope we can now dispose of that repetitous bit of fake-trumpery. But I have actually watched them play -- and am not relying strictly on a computation to gauge something that can ascertained with 5 seconds of visual analysis.

I should just start making up **** and expecting it to be treated as legitimate evidence. Because that's all that you've done in this thread outside of posting some counting numbers which aren't even conclusive enough to support your feeble thesis.

I don't think you've read what you've posted

 

[chipchildress]

So you ask me why it's important that we got rid of BJ because you simply assume that we won't take advantage of the extra money?

Of course it will be pointless if we don't use the extra $30 million or so on other players. But we didn't really save money this year because we took on Quentin and Maybin. We will save a good bit next year and a ton in 2017. And I guarantee you we will use that money.

You're telling me our payroll come 2017 will be around $80 million?

stop saying "we" unless you're in on the racket. i also agree that that money will be used...and not on making the braves better. once again, why do you have so much faith that ownership will do what's best for the fans? hell, they're taking their team and moving just so they can make even more money rather than investing in the community where they've existed for so long.

 

[Julio3000]

So you ask me why it's important that we got rid of BJ because you simply assume that we won't take advantage of the extra money?

Of course it will be pointless if we don't use the extra $30 million or so on other players. But we didn't really save money this year because we took on Quentin and Maybin. We will save a good bit next year and a ton in 2017. And I guarantee you we will use that money.

You're telling me our payroll come 2017 will be around $80 million?

Hart is on record saying that they'll be aggressive with the money freed up in the Kimbrel deal, FWIW.

 

[chipchildress]

Hart is on record saying that they'll be aggressive with the money freed up in the Kimbrel deal, FWIW.

yeah, because the braves have been true to their word regarding payroll ever since liberty took over. L O ****ing L

 

[Hawk]

'The man' is definitely out to screw Braves fans!!!

 

[Hawk]

I don't think you've read what you've posted

All I've said, in a nut shell, is that I think Jace Peterson has more raw power than Tommy La Stella.

And I don't really even care aside from wanting to deflate your eternal boner for TLS.

 

[Tapate50]

All I've said, in a nut shell, is that I think Jace Peterson has more raw power than Tommy La Stella.

And I don't really even care aside from wanting to deflate your eternal boner for TLS.

That sounds.......inconvenient.

 

[zitothebrave]

All I've said, in a nut shell, is that I think Jace Peterson has more raw power than Tommy La Stella.

And I don't really even care aside from wanting to deflate your eternal boner for TLS.

No that's not what you said. You said

"It's pretty clear (to me) from watching Peterson that he has exceedingly more raw power than Tommy La Stella, but that's just not the way he approaches the game. I think that, given time and comfort and coaching, we'll eventually see the boom stick from him more often but he's still young and still developing right now. I'll take the plus on-base potential, speed, and solid defense for the time being"

Meaning there's something that should be evident to basically anyone that he has more power. When I produced facts, you changed the arguments over and over again.

Here's the truth, you've got some kind of boner for Peterson, don't know why exactly, that when I said his ceiling is Omar Infante and people will likely be concerned with his absence of power you got your wookie all bent.

 

[Hawk]

No that's not what you said. You said

"It's pretty clear (to me) from watching Peterson that he has exceedingly more raw power than Tommy La Stella, but that's just not the way he approaches the game. I think that, given time and comfort and coaching, we'll eventually see the boom stick from him more often but he's still young and still developing right now. I'll take the plus on-base potential, speed, and solid defense for the time being"

Meaning there's something that should be evident to basically anyone that he has more power. When I produced facts, you changed the arguments over and over again.

Here's the truth, you've got some kind of boner for Peterson, don't know why exactly, that when I said his ceiling is Omar Infante and people will likely be concerned with his absence of power you got your wookie all bent.

Yeah, that's what I just said (again) -- and I stand by it. Peterson has more raw power (which, try your darndest [!] you can't quantify). I haven't changed any argument. It's evident to anyone that has two ****ing eyes.

Ask your cousin.

I'll readily admit to having a whopping, engorged boner for Peterson. That ex-football player chiseled physique, that receding hairline. Mmmhmm. Does that make you feel less awkward about your TLS fetish?

 

[zitothebrave]

You can't quantify it because it's something that has to be assessed by a professional. I said TLS had more power in the minors than Peterson, and it's likely it will stay that way. You came out of left field with your "expert" analysis. You're the one who decided to make this into a whole thing. I've proven in several ways that TLS should have more power than Peterson, with numbers, with basic swing analysis. Etc. You have nothing backing you but one month of watchign Peterson play and 2 months of watching TLS. Maybe a little more on TLS.

 

[smootness]

stop saying "we" unless you're in on the racket. i also agree that that money will be used...and not on making the braves better. once again, why do you have so much faith that ownership will do what's best for the fans? hell, they're taking their team and moving just so they can make even more money rather than investing in the community where they've existed for so long.

I use 'we' when talking about teams I am a fan of, especially when they're in my city. I don't do it purposefully, it just happens. If you don't like it, I don't really care.

They're moving the team because it's best for the franchise. It isn't the team's responsibility to invest in the community. If the city didn't want them to move, they should have invested in it. They haven't put a dime into that area. They took the team for granted, so the team is leaving.

Moving will increase attendance, should subsequently increase payroll, and will lead to a better fan experience. I am in favor of all of those.

I don't think our ownership cares about fans, but they do care about making money. Once the front office puts together a package that will lead to increased revenues (as long as people show up), I expect payroll to increase to put a team on the field that will draw even more to games.

I want new ownership, but we have what we have. The money from BJ's contract will be subtracted from the budget, so I full expect that money to be spent on new players. If you think we'll just blow it on another high-priced dud, then you should at least have more confidence in Hart than Wren in that area.