What's next?

But I would have never thought the Dbacks package would have ever been possible either. And if the Cubs feel he's the missing piece to their team (Dbacks) then I could see a team overpaying.
 
Hudson2 said:
I'd add another piece if I needed to. Ender has more value so maybe Jenkins.
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Soler/Underwood/one of Contreras/Eloy/Candelario for Ender/JT..

Cubs get a starter they need now and a very good CF..
Braves take a chance on Soler/Get either a 3B/Power OF/C of future/and replace JT with high upside starting prospect..

should be a win win.. but Cubs might look at that as too much to give up..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Soler/Underwood/one of Contreras/Eloy/Candelario for Ender/JT..

Cubs get a starter they need now and a very good CF..

Braves take a chance on Soler/Get either a 3B/Power OF/C of future/and replace JT with high upside starting prospect..

should be a win win.. but Cubs might look at that as too much to give up..
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That's not enough for me. I'm completely against trading Teheran at this point unless we receive another Shelby offer....still hesitant with a big offer. Teheran alone should pull Soler, Underwood. So Inciarte doesn't fit for me. I'd love to grab Soler and one of Pierce JohnsonUnderwood/Contreras/Candeario for Inciarte. Reports also came out the Cubs looking for bullpen help too. Makes me wonder if Grilli could be a fit even coming back from injury.
 
emk418 said:
That's not enough for me. I'm completely against trading Teheran at this point unless we receive another Shelby offer....still hesitant with a big offer. Teheran alone should pull Soler, Underwood. So Inciarte doesn't fit for me. I'd love to grab Soler and one of Pierce JohnsonUnderwood/Contreras/Candeario for Inciarte. Reports also came out the Cubs looking for bullpen help too. Makes me wonder if Grilli could be a fit even coming back from injury.
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I am good with getting more.. just hard to value so many prospects.. Soler is risky but has high potential.. both Underwood and Contreras are highly rated too.. JT and Ender have more proven MLB history.. maybe another piece from the Cubs to even it out..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I am good with getting more.. just hard to value so many prospects.. Soler is risky but has high potential.. both Underwood and Contreras are highly rated too.. JT and Ender have more proven MLB history.. maybe another piece from the Cubs to even it out..
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Agreed. Underwood and Contreras would be great grabs though. Especially Contreras based on our needs.
 
I'm sure they're trying to pawn other pieces off on us but Coppy stuck to his guns with the Dbacks and he appears to be here as well. I'll be interesting to see what we get if a trade does happen. If it does I'd expect it soon so the Cubs don't miss out on any potential FA's.
 
Hudson2 said:
I'm sure they're trying to pawn other pieces off on us but Coppy stuck to his guns with the Dbacks and he appears to be here as well. I'll be interesting to see what we get if a trade does happen. If it does I'd expect it soon so the Cubs don't miss out on any potential FA's.
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I wonder if we could also take Hammels from them to help sweeten the pot for them. He is due 10 million this year with a 2 mill buyout.. maybe even a bounce back player..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I wonder if we could also take Hammels from them to help sweeten the pot for them. He is due 10 million this year with a 2 mill buyout.. maybe even a bounce back player..
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That's not a bad idea depending on the players involved. I've thought about getting Coughlan back. They'd have 3 lefty starting OF's if there's a trade involving Incirate and Soler. Coughlan would probably be flipped to someone. Of course we would flip him again in July if that happened.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I wonder if we could also take Hammels from them to help sweeten the pot for them. He is due 10 million this year with a 2 mill buyout.. maybe even a bounce back player..
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Why would this be an attractive aspect for them? He has pitched well for them the last two years and they can easily handle the money. He's an important part of their rotation, this just doesn't seem like something they would want at all.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Soler/Underwood/one of Contreras/Eloy/Candelario for Ender/JT..

Cubs get a starter they need now and a very good CF..
Braves take a chance on Soler/Get either a 3B/Power OF/C of future/and replace JT with high upside starting prospect..

should be a win win.. but Cubs might look at that as too much to give up..
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Candelario's not that great a prospect...he's definitely not on the Contreras/Jimenez level.

I don't want to give up Teheran right now, though. You can pretty much throw success in 2017 out the window, and perhaps contention in 2018, if you give up the only pitcher we have with any real experience. I'm all for riding with a lot of these young guys, but you can't fully depend on them until you know more about what you have.

We're sitting in a good spot right now. We have the pieces necessary to build a quality team by 2018, and I still consider Teheran and Inciarte to be key cogs in that. You can now sit back and let other teams come to you, waiting until they blow you away with an offer.

Going from Teheran to Underwood is a step back in pitching, so you would then be giving up Inciarte for potentially Soler/Candelario in order to get worse in pitching? I just don't like that deal.
 
smootness said:
Why would this be an attractive aspect for them? He has pitched well for them the last two years and they can easily handle the money. He's an important part of their rotation, this just doesn't seem like something they would want at all.
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probably not.. remember reading something that the Cubs would like to shed some payroll and he was the only guy I could think of that would benefit the Braves.. more of a homer move on my part.. I said this before.. internet GMing is hard work sometimes..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
probably not.. remember reading something that the Cubs would like to shed some payroll and he was the only guy I could think of that would benefit the Braves.. more of a homer move on my part.. I said this before.. internet GMing is hard work sometimes..
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Haha yes it is. But Hammel is their #4 starter right now and should be in their rotation no matter who they add, and he's been worth close to 5 WAR the last 2 years for them, which doesn't span a full 2 years. So I would think they view the $10 million they'll pay him as worth it.

They're trying to add pitching, not lose it. So I would think our best bet would be to throw in a pitching prospect below our top tier (someone like Gant or Ellis) rather than taking on Hammel.
 
smootness said:
Candelario's not that great a prospect...he's definitely not on the Contreras/Jimenez level.

I don't want to give up Teheran right now, though. You can pretty much throw success in 2017 out the window, and perhaps contention in 2018, if you give up the only pitcher we have with any real experience. I'm all for riding with a lot of these young guys, but you can't fully depend on them until you know more about what you have.

We're sitting in a good spot right now. We have the pieces necessary to build a quality team by 2018, and I still consider Teheran and Inciarte to be key cogs in that. You can now sit back and let other teams come to you, waiting until they blow you away with an offer.

Going from Teheran to Underwood is a step back in pitching, so you would then be giving up Inciarte for potentially Soler/Candelario in order to get worse in pitching? I just don't like that deal.
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would much rather take Eloy or Contreras.. and again, this trade is taking a flyer on Soler potential while hedging your return. Underwood is mentioned because the Braves have said they still want pitching and he is their best pitcher in the system. I don't like the loss of JT.. but I still feel we can absorb his loss easier than other prospects. I don't think the Cubs deal anything close to that unless we give them a MLB ready pitcher.. Wisler is the next best thing and he is not good enough yet..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
would much rather take Eloy or Contreras.. and again, this trade is taking a flyer on Soler potential while hedging your return. Underwood is mentioned because the Braves have said they still want pitching and he is their best pitcher in the system. I don't like the loss of JT.. but I still feel we can absorb his loss easier than other prospects. I don't think the Cubs deal anything close to that unless we give them a MLB ready pitcher.. Wisler is the next best thing and he is not good enough yet..
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Well, if they demand Teheran, then you tell them no. Again, I like our current position, and we don't have to trade Inciarte. I don't want to give up Teheran now, especially while his value is diminished.
 
smootness said:
Well, if they demand Teheran, then you tell them no. Again, I like our current position, and we don't have to trade Inciarte. I don't want to give up Teheran now, especially while his value is diminished.
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then we become bored and have nothing to do for 3 months.. That is not fun..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
then we become bored and have nothing to do for 3 months.. That is not fun..
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The Miller trade and the ongoing discussions about other potential trades actually made me sit back after and try to think about what off seasons will be like from 2017 on...and they will be ridiculously crappy by comparison.

We've traded Jason Heyward, Justin Upton, Craig Kimbrel, Evan Gattis, Andrelton Simmons, Shelby Miller, Alex Wood, Jose Peraza, BJ Upton, Christian Bethancourt, and a whole crap ton of relievers and smaller prospects in basically a year. In that time frame, we have added about ¾ of our 40-man roster, including our starting C, 2B, SS, LF, CF, and RF, 4/5 of our SP rotation, and 17 of our top 20 prospects. It has been mind-blowing.

Come 2017, what are we even going to talk about? How many major league games we might win? Pshh, boring.
 
smootness said:
The Miller trade and the ongoing discussions about other potential trades actually made me sit back after and try to think about what off seasons will be like from 2017 on...and they will be ridiculously crappy by comparison.

We've traded Jason Heyward, Justin Upton, Craig Kimbrel, Evan Gattis, Andrelton Simmons, Shelby Miller, Alex Wood, Jose Peraza, BJ Upton, Christian Bethancourt, and a whole crap ton of relievers and smaller prospects in basically a year. In that time frame, we have added about ¾ of our 40-man roster, including our starting C, 2B, SS, LF, CF, and RF, 4/5 of our SP rotation, and 17 of our top 20 prospects. It has been mind-blowing.

Come 2017, what are we even going to talk about? How many major league games we might win? Pshh, boring.
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we can reflect on the Gomes trade..
 
smootness said:
We're sitting in a good spot right now. We have the pieces necessary to build a quality team by 2018, and I still consider Teheran and Inciarte to be key cogs in that. You can now sit back and let other teams come to you, waiting until they blow you away with an offer.
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I think it's more likely that if Inciarte is given the full time job in CF for a whole year he will show beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is just a platoon OFer, and his value will drop to that of a good 4th OFer. His splits are not pretty, and right now he can hide behind the small sample size excuse. After another season of being terrible vs LHers he won't be able to any longer.
 
Enscheff said:
I think it's more likely that if Inciarte is given the full time job in CF for a whole year he will show beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is just a platoon OFer, and his value will drop to that of a good 4th OFer. His splits are not pretty, and right now he can hide behind the small sample size excuse. After another season of being terrible vs LHers he won't be able to any longer.
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I mean, he just played a whole year and put up a WAR between 3-5. There's not a single 4th OF in baseball capable of that.
 
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