Wren "dismissed" --

[Hawk]

For those saying that Bobby's comments about Fredi were strictly political ... don't be 100% convinced.

Jerry Crasnick

@jcrasnick

I'm hearing what some other folks have speculated with #braves: Wren wanted Fredi Gonzalez out, and Bobby Cox pushed to keep him.

 

[bravesnumberone]

If that's the case, I understand Bobby's loyalty but he doesn't get the bigger picture.

 

[zitothebrave]

For those saying that Bobby's comments about Fredi were strictly political ... don't be 100% convinced.

Jerry Crasnick
@jcrasnick
I'm hearing what some other folks have speculated with #braves: Wren wanted Fredi Gonzalez out, and Bobby Cox pushed to keep him.

I will murder someone with my words if that's the case.

 

[jpx7]

Please don't let Mark Bowman ask any more questions.

Ever.

 

[BRule]

For those saying that Bobby's comments about Fredi were strictly political ... don't be 100% convinced.

Jerry Crasnick
@jcrasnick
I'm hearing what some other folks have speculated with #braves: Wren wanted Fredi Gonzalez out, and Bobby Cox pushed to keep him.

Ugh

 

[50PoundHead]

If that's the case, I understand Bobby's loyalty but he doesn't get the bigger picture.

Wren is the bigger picture. Bobby may not understand the whole picture, but I can't believe some can't see the issues with Wren. Don't get me wrong. Fredi should go as well.

 

[jpx7]

He also made it sound like the clubhouse has been a mess for well over a year.

Seems like somebody retired about two seasons ago.

What was his name? Leonard or Lester or ... something with Ls and Rs that you could really hear New Yorkers chanting derisively.

 

[jpx7]

Paul Byrd ‏@PaulByrd36 1m

J Hart drafted me, J Schuerholz traded 4 me & B Cox coached me. I can personally attest this maybe the best team ever assembled! #LEADERSHIP

Somebody's auditioning for a front-office role.

 

[Dalyn]

Seems like somebody retired about two seasons ago.

What was his name? Leonard or Lester or ... something with Ls and Rs that you could really hear New Yorkers chanting derisively.

Chopper? Isn't that what Chip called him? Chopper 't Chipper or something like that.

 

[bravesnumberone]

Wren is the bigger picture. Bobby may not understand the whole picture, but I can't believe some can't see the issues with Wren. Don't get me wrong. Fredi should go as well.

That's not what I'm talking about. It is impossible to defend Fredi objectively at this point. Wren needed to go but Fredi needs to more.

 

[jpx7]

Chopper? Isn't that what Chip called him? Chopper 't Chipper or something like that.

I always assumed that was a mumbled pet-name for the razor-blade Chip used for [... you know where this was going].

 

[keithlaw]

That's not what I'm talking about. It is impossible to defend Fredi objectively at this point. Wren needed to go but Fredi needs to more.

Dumping Wren before Fredi was the right move. Fredi makes lots of bad moves, but a bad manager can't do nearly as much damage to an organization as a bad GM can (see Ruben Amaro). Wren wasn't as bad as Rube, but he consistently tied up a quarter of our payroll in replacement level players and our farm system has gotten worse under his reign as well.

 

[Julio3000]

 

[50PoundHead]

That's not what I'm talking about. It is impossible to defend Fredi objectively at this point. Wren needed to go but Fredi needs to more.

I have no trouble with both of them being gone, but the way things came crashing down this year, I find it difficult to argue that Wren should maintain his position. Fredi has managed poorly and we didn't have much luck on the injury front, especially with the pitching staff, but just like with players, I'd rather make a move on a GM a year early than a year late.

 

[Dalyn]

You could've gone with the subtle birds and really nailed that one.

 

[Julio3000]

You could've gone with the subtle birds and really nailed that one.

Yes, that is better.

But there's an editorial message in jubilant Fredi, plus bonus Bowman.

Well, that's what his mom calls it, anyway.

 

[Dalyn]

Yes, that is better.

But there's an editorial message in jubilant Fredi, plus bonus Bowman.

Well, that's what his mom calls it, anyway.

That's true.

 

[CyYoung31]

Anyone know where I can find the full press conference?

 

[CyYoung31]

And if there really was an organizational rift thanks to Wren, then I'm okay with his departure. I really don't think he did a poor job in his stint as GM though.

 

[ChapelHillMatt]

Wren is responsible for the product on the field. This was the right call, Fredi probably will be gone after the season. I'm guessing the Braves want a clean slate going into next year.