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sturg33 said:
OK. Let's do that.

The US population increased by 3% over that timeframe

And 3rd party candidates got 1.7% of the vote in 2012. In 2016, they got 5.7% of the vote.

So to answer your question, there doesn't appear to be any evidence that these extra voters were motivated to show up to vote for Trump, which is why he got less of a share of the vote than Mitt Romney
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2020 went back to 1.9%... So that available 4% of voters didn't move to Trump either, as he still failed to outpace Mitt ****ing Romney
 
sturg33 said:
OK. Let's do that.

The US population increased by 3% over that timeframe

And 3rd party candidates got 1.7% of the vote in 2012. In 2016, they got 5.7% of the vote.

So to answer your question, there doesn't appear to be any evidence that these extra voters were motivated to show up to vote for Trump, which is why he got less of a share of the vote than Mitt Romney
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Just want to clarify - Are you saying all the additional votes went to third parties?
 
thethe said:
Only to people that don't understand polling
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Brother, you’ve understood polling in such a way over the past 6 years that you determined a Red Wave has been coming in every single congressional election that would usher in Conservative rule for a century. You haven’t earned the right to be this dismissive of polling interpretations you don’t agree with.
 
mqt said:
Brother, you’ve understood polling in such a way over the past 6 years that you determined a Red Wave has been coming in every single congressional election that would usher in Conservative rule for a century. You haven’t earned the right to be this dismissive of polling interpretations you don’t agree with.
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If you don't see the difference in responses to the general populace by framing something as either "Gender Affirming Care" or "Slicing off 12 year old dicks" then quite frankly you don't understand much.

BTW - When it was popular to say that "Trump can't win" becuaes of polling I reiterated on countless occasions why that wasn't real or that someone like Haleys support was a mirage.
 
thethe said:
lol - 2020 'vote' analysis.

Just say the words....
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Trump lost GA, MI, WI, PA, and AR by a combined 276K votes.

Let's say the faked 1M ballots between those states. I'll remove those from the total.

When we remove those 1M fake ballots, but don't remove any from Trump... Trump ends up with 47% of the votes, which still trails Mitt ****ing Romney's 47.2%
 
thethe said:
If you don't see the difference in responses to the general populace by framing something as either "Gender Affirming Care" or "Slicing off 12 year old dicks" then quite frankly you don't understand much.

BTW - When it was popular to say that "Trump can't win" becuaes of polling I reiterated on countless occasions why that wasn't real or that someone like Haleys support was a mirage.
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Whether you believe it or not, the totality of gender-affirming care is much more nuanced than simply bottom surgery for tweens and teens. As such, it’s unlikely to be framed in the exact way you’re doing so here. For the average American who doesn’t spend their life listening to Conservative talking points, this framing largely matches what they’re going to hear, and it’s not going to impact most people enough to be what helps carry a general election.

And sure, you’ve been right about Donald Trump’s chances in the primary. But short of being optimistic in 2016 about Trump, you’ve got a track record of falling for every sign in polls that confirm your beliefs and ignore those that don’t, then just claiming outside forces stopped it from happening and jumping to the next set of polls that confirm your beliefs.
 
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sturg33 said:
Trump lost GA, MI, WI, PA, and AR by a combined 276K votes.

Let's say the faked 1M ballots between those states. I'll remove those from the total.

When we remove those 1M fake ballots, but don't remove any from Trump... Trump ends up with 47% of the votes, which still trails Mitt ****ing Romney's 47.2%
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Does this mean you think Biden got 80M legal votes?
 
thethe said:
So again - Before you weasel out is it a yes or no?
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Maybe I'm not following your question.

I've walked you through the numbers. Trump got less of a % of all votes cast than Mitt Romney. There were more votes cast in 2016. There were more citizens in 2016. And third party candidates more than tripled their vote share from 2012. Trump declined his vote share from 2012, as did Hilary.

Where is the evidence that the Trump platform is this hugely popular agenda that is an easy election winner
 
mqt said:
Whether you believe it or not, the totality of gender-affirming care is much more nuanced than simply bottom surgery for tweens and teens. As such, it’s unlikely to be framed in the exact way you’re doing so here. For the average American who doesn’t spend their life listening to Conservative talking points, this framing largely matches what they’re going to hear, and it’s not going to impact most people enough to be what helps carry a general election.
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Ok - how about along with the question voters are made aware of suicide rates in those that undergo 'gender afirming care' as opposed to those that don't?
 
sturg33 said:
Maybe I'm not following your question.

I've walked you through the numbers. Trump got less of a % of all votes cast than Mitt Romney. There were more votes cast in 2016. There were more citizens in 2016. And third party candidates more than tripled their vote share from 2012. Trump declined his vote share from 2012, as did Hilary.

Where is the evidence that the Trump platform is this hugely popular agenda that is an easy election winner
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So all the 'new' votes (less ~1M) went to third party and Trump still got more votes than Romney.

How again was Trumps message not more popular than Romenys then? You think Romney gets those votes in 2016 with his 1980s republican platform? HAHAHAHAAH
 
thethe said:
Does this mean you think Biden got 80M legal votes?
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I've asked you before how many votes were fake?

I just did a simple analysis and 4x the amount of votes he needed to win the states that have the most smoke re: fraud

If you have different numbers, please share
 
sturg33 said:
I've asked you before how many votes were fake?

I just did a simple analysis and 4x the amount of votes he needed to win the states that have the most smoke re: fraud

If you have different numbers, please share
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Answer the question.....Do you believe Biden got 80M votes perfectly concentrated in large urban areas?
 
thethe said:
So all the 'new' votes (less ~1M) went to third party and Trump still got more votes than Romney.

How again was Trumps message not more popular than Romenys then?
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If it were more popular than Romney's, then it would not have led to less percentage of support than Romney. To frame your nonsensical defense of math a different way, more people voted against Trump's agenda in 2016 than against Romney's in 2012, both in raw numbers and percentage
 
sturg33 said:
If it were more popular than Romney's, then it would not have led to less percentage of support than Romney. To frame your nonsensical defense of math a different way, more people voted against Trump's agenda in 2016 than against Romney's in 2012, both in raw numbers and percentage
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I guess you're assuming that those new voters would have voted for Romeny in 2016 if given the chance? AHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
thethe said:
Answer the question.....Do you believe Biden got 80M votes perfectly concentrated in large urban areas?
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I do not believe Biden got 80M+ legit votes in 2020, nor do I believe trump got 74M+ votes in 2016.

Since we are currently looking at % of votes earned, I went ahead and looked at the states you've whined about for 4 years, and 4x the amount of votes needed to be faked to steal the election.

But I'm happy to work with your own data. So please share how many real votes there were. How many of Biden's were fake, and how many of Trump's were fake
 
sturg33 said:
I do not believe Biden got 80M+ legit votes in 2020, nor do I believe trump got 74M+ votes in 2016.

Since we are currently looking at % of votes earned, I went ahead and looked at the states you've whined about for 4 years, and 4x the amount of votes needed to be faked to steal the election.

But I'm happy to work with your own data. So please share how many real votes there were. How many of Biden's were fake, and how many of Trump's were fake
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You don't even realize that you just asserted that Biden got 80M legal votes because you have no clue what you believe. Its just TDS brain vomit.
 
thethe said:
I guess you're assuming that those new voters would have voted for Romeny in 2016 if given the chance? AHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Well we land here again. Where your argument is based on a delusion that never happened. And my argument is based on events that took place.

Mitt Romney's agenda received more support among 2012 voters than Donald Trump's agenda received among 2016 voters. This is indisputable. An objective truth. You are free to live in fantasy land, but I'm simply walking you through the data
 
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