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sturg33 said:
Things are hard financially bc of inflation which is caused by deficit spending and neither party is interested in addressing.

But create more nanny programs which will create more dependence and inflation and will make the problem worse. That's the government model
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This presupposes a false dichotomy where the only options available are decreasing the social safety net or keeping government spending the same. There are other ways to decrease spending or increase revenues for a government that do not impact these services.
 
mqt said:
This presupposes a false dichotomy where the only options available are decreasing the social safety net or keeping government spending the same. There are other ways to decrease spending or increase revenues for a government that do not impact these services.
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When you subsidize something, you create more of it. There are no exceptions to this.

Want to subsidize poverty programs? Then you will get more poverty. Rinse and repeat
 
sturg33 said:
When you subsidize something, you create more of it. There are no exceptions to this.

Want to subsidize poverty programs? Then you will get more poverty. Rinse and repeat
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Then work on root causes as well, such as poor education, heavy incarceration and mental/emotional health crises. The social safety net is not there to prevent itself from being needed in the future. We have to work out other solutions to reduce the reliance on them, not cut people off.
 
thethe said:
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I was a proud democrat until Obama led the party off of a cliff.
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I like the old blue dog democrats. I don’t agree with the solutions, but I always thought they were good at identifying problems.

With that said, you should understand why many traditional conservatives lament the party being overran with democrats. Indeed, it is a shift to the left.
 
mqt said:
Then work on root causes as well, such as poor education, heavy incarceration and mental/emotional health crises. The social safety net is not there to prevent itself from being needed in the future. We have to work out other solutions to reduce the reliance on them, not cut people off.
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We’ve increased spending addressing those “root causes” and those “root causes” across the board have worsened… significantly.
 
chop2chip said:
I like the old blue dog democrats. I don’t agree with the solutions, but I always thought they were good at identifying problems.

With that said, you should understand why many traditional conservatives lament the party being overran with democrats. Indeed, it is a shift to the left.
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^^^
 
mqt said:
Then work on root causes as well, such as poor education, heavy incarceration and mental/emotional health crises. The social safety net is not there to prevent itself from being needed in the future. We have to work out other solutions to reduce the reliance on them, not cut people off.
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Right now, (R) is doing more for that first “root cause” than (D), who is too beholden to the teacher’s union to pursue school choice, against the wishes of the majority of its constituents.
 
acesfull86 said:
Right now, (R) is doing more for that first “root cause” than (D), who is too beholden to the teacher’s union to pursue school choice, against the wishes of the majority of its constituents.
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I think you might be surprised by how little we disagree on this. I do not think the current public education system is effective and am open to alternative ways to solve that problem. Where I suspect we might differ is the parameters and funding we’d need to put on a replacement system to prevent it from turning into an equally or even more inequitable system for disadvantaged students.
 
chop2chip said:
We’ve increased spending addressing those “root causes” and those “root causes” across the board have worsened… significantly.
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I’m not really proposing that the system isn’t broken. I just don’t agree that we have to choose between fixing the root causes and continuing the services that keep people from struggling today.
 
mqt said:
I think you might be surprised by how little we disagree on this. I do not think the current public education system is effective and am open to alternative ways to solve that problem. Where I suspect we might differ is the parameters and funding we’d need to put on a replacement system to prevent it from turning into an equally or even more inequitable system for disadvantaged students.
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Hopefully you and other reasonable (D) are able to wrestle the party’s education platform away from the teacher’s union.
 
chop2chip said:
I like the old blue dog democrats. I don’t agree with the solutions, but I always thought they were good at identifying problems.

With that said, you should understand why many traditional conservatives lament the party being overran with democrats. Indeed, it is a shift to the left.
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The problem with traditional conservatives is they have a blindspot for consolidation/Globalization and what that does to everyday Americans and restricting of opportunities to be business owners. You have people trying to make points that a tariff will increase costs by the same percentage of the tariffs levied against retail prices. I mean - What a joke.

Another blindspot is the refusal to acknowledge human nature in that most people just aren't bright enough to engage in more advanced technical fields which is a big reason why we have to ensure that small businesses can thrive against hte backdrop of the previously mentioned consolidation.

But I don't need the theatrics from people saying Trump is left of Biden. Its all such a joke.
 
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chop2chip said:
We’ve increased spending addressing those “root causes” and those “root causes” across the board have worsened… significantly.
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Illegal migration has exasperated this issue - I'd love to see what the country looks like without an underground society that is sucking away at the wealth of the nation.
 
acesfull86 said:
Hopefully you and other reasonable (D) are able to wrestle the party’s education platform away from the teacher’s union.
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Demorats will always be beholden to the teachers union so that will never chnage.

Just have to keep pushing privatization/home schooling as an alternative and in decades when the public school system crumbles it can be rebuilt in a better way at a more local level.
 
mqt said:
I’m not really proposing that the system isn’t broken. I just don’t agree that we have to choose between fixing the root causes and continuing the services that keep people from struggling today.
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But you, and by you I mean (D), aren’t asking to fix the system. You/they want more money to fund more programs within those broken systems. I’m against that approach on principle alone.
 
System gets fixed by ensuring there is a strong supply of jobs avilable that don't require high level technical skills.

The way you do that is bring back manufacturing even if *gasp* it isn't hte most efficient outcome in your economic models.
 
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What types of landslides does Trump carry and down ballot the past 6 years if not for a globally coordinated attack machine built on lies?
 
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