Braves Trade Heyward, Walden to Cardinals for Miller and Tyrell Jenkins

Question that's been biting at me since this trade went down: is this the first time we've openly, unabashedly re-built with no intention of competing in the upcoming season since we started the run in 1991? We were pretty bad in 2006 and 2008, and mediocre in 2007 and 2009, but my memory is that we were trying to win in all of those years. That's right, right?

It's an odd mindset, knowing that an entire season has already been dismissed in mid-November. I suppose this is what my Kansas City friends dealt with for 30 years.

Actually, I'm not so sure we're rebuilding given that Hart is having "conversations" with Justin Upton about an extension and McGwirk has said payroll would not go down from the 2014 level. Those two things are not quite consistent with a rebuild.
 
So now it has gone from a fair deal to a really good deal? Awesome. This one keeps getting better.

Come 2016 this will be a great deal because we will have Miller and Jenkins instead of a draft pick. Maybe we are worse in 2015 but most people here thought we had no chance even with heyward.
 
Shelby Miller and Jenkins who isnt that good for Heyward and our best RP?

Yes, there were better offers than that.

So your of the belief that Hart and the FO is purposely trying to make the team worse. I highly doubt there was a better offer and they didn't chose it. I am not saying I am a fan of hart, cause I'm not. But I have no doubt this was the best deal we could get at the time, and way better than letting heyward walk for a draft pick.

I am however disappointed we didn't try harder to negotiate with him. I doubt we could have agreed on a number, but there should have been more dialog it seems.
 
The rest of DOBs interview with Jason:

Q. Can you see a case where your value on the market next offseason might make you one of the top free agents available, and where it might not have made sense for either side to talk about a deal at this point, after your injury-shortened 2012 season and now one year away from free agency?



A. Well, honestly, if anything it would have been (beneficial) for my side to not talk about it, but for me as a player and as a person I had made it clear that I wanted to be here for longer than 2015. But again, we never had the conversation, so…. They didn’t see fit to have those sit-down talks or discussions about me being here. I don’t necessarily know what they were thinking, but now I see today that I’m traded to the Cardinals, so….

We had brief discussions after the 2012 season. I understand that was with a different GM (recently fired Frank Wren), but we had brief discussions. Didn’t last very long. I mean, we’re talking about minutes, not hours or days or weeks. And at that time, we did mention and made them award as well that I would like to be a Brave for a long time. And that wasn’t on their agenda. And we hadn’t revisited those talks since then, so as far as you asking me if I feel like it wasn’t a good time for me to sign – I know for me, the fact that I made them aware that I wanted to stay in Atlanta…

We’re not going to talk numbers today, but I feel like I gave them an opportunity to come to me with anything, but that situation never occurred, so this is where we are today.

Q. What’s your message to Braves fans?



A. I’m overwhelmed by it all right now, because the fans have been awesome to me. They’re disappointed when you don’t do well, yes, but at the same time they’re right there with you in your best moments and they’ve been great for me to feed off of and give back to the city. I grew up in Georgia watching the Braves play. I got the opportunity to be on the other side from a player’s perspective and play for the great Bobby Cox, play with the great Chipper Jones and other players that came through here. And the fans have been awesome to me, so I just want to thank them for their support in my time here. I can’t think them enough for it. And thank you for recognizing my love and passion for this game of baseball, and thank you for recognizing that I went out there every day and gave it 100 percent for them. Again, as far as the situation goes as far as me being here long-term or not, I feel like the fans had more discussions with me than the front office. And that’s not a shot, that’s just the way it’s been, and that’s how much I appreciate the fans. So I want to thank them for that and thank them for their support in the future as well.

Q. Could it be a blessing in disguise, with Braves in transition and you going to a Cardinals team that’s always contending?



A. Well, granted, at 25 years old, coming into this game at 20 years old, as long as you can stay healthy you’re already set up to make some type of money as a free agent or get into a long term deal somewhere. So for me, I’ve been very fortunate to start off at 20 years old, and at 25 here I am getting traded to a contender – every year, you can book the Cardinals for that. You can book the fact that their mentality is, ‘Hey, we would like to win a championship this year.’ That’s their mindset, and they go about it with such passion that any baseball fan can appreciate. They have a great fan base, they’ve got players on their roster that are leaders, guys that are experience, guys that are polished, some that are superstars for their whole careers, some that have been to the bottom and to the top. So absolutely, I’ve got to say this is a blessing for me to be wanted and for someone to have interest in me in an organization such as the St. Louis Cardinals.

Q. You said you’ve gone to the Braves a few times to let them know you were interested in staying long term. Did they basically say, we’ll get back to you, or was there even any reaction?

A. No, in 2012 when we had the discussion – and I mean brief, it was a 10-minute conversation between my representatives and the Braves – we let them know that I wanted to be here a long time. And the conversation was basically shut down then. And never revisited. So again, the two-year deal (in February 2014) came from me as far as not wanting to worry about that, not wanting to worry about money and performance and whatnot. I wanted to go play baseball.

Q. Is it hard to believe that five years ago you were catching that ceremonial first pitch from Hank Aaron on opening day, and now you’re no longer a Brave?



A. You don’t know what to expect out of life, and over the last years my faith has allowed me to see that you’ve got to just be ready for what’s next, versus trying to plan it out or versus trying to dictate what’s going to happen. I could have told you a million different scenarios of how my career was going to play out before I was ever a major leaguer, and I still wouldn’t have probably given you this exact scenario. So am I surprised? Kind of, yes. But at the same time, you know anything can happen. Because there’s opportunities for anything as far as the business side to come in. You never know what to expect on that aspect. I just know I enjoy playing the game. I enjoyed a lot of the people that I got to come across here in the Braves organization, to work with on a daily basis. I appreciate them. I appreciate their support.

Q. Are you still in shock? In terms of, did part of you think at one point that you might be a Brave for your whole career?

A. For me, for the longest time, even when I came in the minor league organization, I felt it might be very possible for me to be in Atlanta for my whole career. But when it comes down to it, after dealing with the front office in 2012 or just in general, they kind of made my decision for me as far as whether I was going to be here long term or not. As you know, both sides have to be willing to talk about that and make it happen, and it felt like my side was open to the discussion and the other was not. That’s all I can say about that.

Q. On reaction of friend Freddie Freeman, have you talked to him at all?

A. I’m not going to speak for Freddie or anyone else for that matter. But we did have a long conversation. I sent him a text to let him know what happened, and he called me and of course, no one’s going to beat around the bush – no one’s going to be surpised by hearing the fact that he wasn’t happy about it. But he was happy for me, for me going to a new situation with a great organization. As we all know, as far as guys who’ve played against the Cardinals over the years. After that, we said we’d talk later. But it was understood, with he and I both, that we’re not excited about the fact that we won’t play together any longer, or at least for right now. He was happy for me, but sad at the same time.
 
I'll miss Jason, but I miss the Jason from 2010 that started out so hot. Everybody except Chipper/Smoltz/Maddux/Glavine/Murphy is replaceable. Everybody.

Since I doubt the baseball smeller will be back, getting a young pitcher like Miller is a solid move.
 
I've not read all of Hart's comments yet but I'd like him to explain why this had to be done now as opposed to talking to teams at the winter meetings.

Because he had talked to the other interested teams last week during the GM meetings and felt this was the best offer they were getting for Heyward.

Every report I've found anywhere states that the Red Sox were "out" - at least as far as this type of return. J-Up and Gattis hold more value to Seattle or Texas because they'd prefer a RH bat.
 
Did anyone really believe that Heyward would have signed here to a contract the Braves can afford considering their payroll restrictions?

He sounds like he would sign if they money is right, he wanted to be with the team long-term.

What they offered or what he wants (200 mil if rumored), who knows.
 
Did anyone really believe that Heyward would have signed here to a contract the Braves can afford considering their payroll restrictions?

You've been talking about all this money the Braves have to spend and now you don't think they would have had money to pay him once he's traded?
 
So your of the belief that Hart and the FO is purposely trying to make the team worse. I highly doubt there was a better offer and they didn't chose it. I am not saying I am a fan of hart, cause I'm not. But I have no doubt this was the best deal we could get at the time, and way better than letting heyward walk for a draft pick.

I am however disappointed we didn't try harder to negotiate with him. I doubt we could have agreed on a number, but there should have been more dialog it seems.

Yeah. That's basically my take. I believe that Hart made this trade to improve the team. Maybe not in 2015 but down the line. I do think he should have found out whether Heyward was looking for 20M/year, 18M/year, 15M/year or whatever. That is information worth devoting some time to finding out. And the fact that he apparently did not take the trouble to get this information bothers me. It is not the sign of a professional operating at his peak. But I understand he has been quite busy playing golf with BJ and all that.
 
FWIW, Mozeliak said it's a short-term move, but they've signed every homegrown player they've wanted too other than Albert and that was a special circumstance.

But Heyward might want alot or if he likes it there maybe signs for a little less, still sucks though.
 
Come 2016 this will be a great deal because we will have Miller and Jenkins instead of a draft pick. Maybe we are worse in 2015 but most people here thought we had no chance even with heyward.

But there is no reason to believe it was this deal or a draft pick and nothing else.
 
Yankees are going to offer Heyward a Stanton like deal.

They already have Gardner and Ellsbury, and McCann but they have unlimited money so i guess not impossible.

Unless Stl signed him before FA.
 
Is it crazy to think that we could resign Heyward after next season. If we could dump some of BJs contract and CJs plus no more is owed to Uggla. And being one year closer to a new stadium. He obviously wants to be in Atlanta and if him and Hart patch things up I could see it happening.

Even if that pipe dream doesn't come through I belive the Braves come out on top in this deal simply because we get 4 years out of Miller and even if he produces like a 3 that's better than one season of Heyward. Don't get me wrong Heyward is my favorite player and I will miss him in a Braves uni.
 
Okay, well I'm glad you're an amazing fortune teller then.

I meant from my end. Damn. I've said several times in this thread that Miller could turn out well. You said I was not even considering it a possibility. I was pointing out that you were wrong.
 
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