Braves donate Justin Upton to Padres for prospects

[yeezus]

It now makes a lot of sense to add Moncada. If they did that, I'd pretty much forgive everything this off-season and feel kind of good. This year won't be the greatest, but we may see some interesting developments. Somehow landing Moncada would be awesome.

I don't see it happening, I'm just saying. It's not impossible.

 

[nsacpi]

Landing Moncada would be great. But apparently some very deep pocketed teams have him in their sights.

 

[dak]

Something to consider for those who wanted the Braves to extend Justin. He makes his permanent home in Arizona. It'll be very surprising if he doesn't sign with a team that has a Spring Training facility in Arizona, IMO. That's proven to be a big decision-making factor for FAs in the past who have lived near a facility in FL or AZ, so I wouldn't expect Justin's situation to be any different.

 

[yeezus]

Matt Eddy ‏@MattEddyBA 13m13 minutes ago
#Braves add $182,300 in international money in Upton trade. They added $974,000 in La Stella trade. Bonus pool now stands at $2,912,200.

$974K sounds like a lot compared to $182,300. Maybe that $974K is kinda significant.

 

[emk418]

Sorry, but this is exactly why the trade was bad. "Solid major leaguers" can be acquired every offseason for a few million bucks. Hart could have signed KJ this offseason to provide whatever the 3B/2B rookie he just traded for would give the team. In fact, he did so when he signed Callaspo.

Studs win games, so I would much rather have 1 potential stud in the system than 4 potential solid guys. Freeman, JUp and Heyward are studs, and this team is not going to ever sign one as a FA, so they need to produce them internally.

Fact of the matter is Hart overplayed his hand and ended up taking whatever spare parts the Padres were willing to give them. The Padres GM somehow landed Kemp, Myers and JUp (3 studs) without giving up any of their top 3 prospects. All he gave up were spare parts that can be replaced at the drop of a hat any year. He did an outstanding job this offseason.

These players will NOT make the Braves contenders in 2017, and they certainly won't make the team competitive this year. Hart has neither retooled or rebuilt the team...he has regressed it.

It's something you clearly don't agree with but MANY people consider Fried to eventually be that stud you're referring to.

 

[yeezus]

Landing Moncada would be great. But apparently some very deep pocketed teams have him in their sights.

Why isn't he signed yet, what's the snag right now? It's hard to predict how long these things will last. When will teams start bidding for him?

 

[Orphan Black]

Instead of spouting off unsubstantiated garbage provide something that has facts in it. We have no clue what kind of offers Hart did or did not have at any point. This is exactly the kind of unintelligent, garbage post that is dragging this board down.

Sorry, but this is exactly why the trade was bad. "Solid major leaguers" can be acquired every offseason for a few million bucks. Hart could have signed KJ this offseason to provide whatever the 3B/2B rookie he just traded for would give the team. In fact, he did so when he signed Callaspo.

Studs win games, so I would much rather have 1 potential stud in the system than 4 potential solid guys. Freeman, JUp and Heyward are studs, and this team is not going to ever sign one as a FA, so they need to produce them internally.

Fact of the matter is Hart overplayed his hand and ended up taking whatever spare parts the Padres were willing to give them. The Padres GM somehow landed Kemp, Myers and JUp (3 studs) without giving up any of their top 3 prospects. All he gave up were spare parts that can be replaced at the drop of a hat any year. He did an outstanding job this offseason.

These players will NOT make the Braves contenders in 2017, and they certainly won't make the team competitive this year. Hart has neither retooled or rebuilt the team...he has regressed it.

 

[Heyward]

Landing Moncada would be great. But apparently some very deep pocketed teams have him in their sights.

I think they'll make a push for him but the NY/Bos/LA/Philly markets will make bigger offers, although after this year, we dont have many huge contracts on the books especially if CJ gets dealt, so.......

 

[emk418]

It now makes a lot of sense to add Moncada. If they did that, I'd pretty much forgive everything this off-season and feel kind of good. This year won't be the greatest, but we may see some interesting developments. Somehow landing Moncada would be awesome.

I don't see it happening, I'm just saying. It's not impossible.

Completely agree. We need to be very aggressive with Moncada.

 

[50PoundHead]

Will Space Ghost be our next manager and is Jan on board with the team seeing we acquired Jace, the other Wonder Twin?

Thought the return would be a little higher and I simply cannot fathom the love affair this team seems to have with sore-armed pitchers.

 

[dak]

Why isn't he signed yet, what's the snag right now? It's hard to predict how long these things will last. When will teams start bidding for him?

He has to establish residency I think, which can take months. Last I saw, this may happen sometime in late Winter or Spring.

 

[yeezus]

Sorry, but this is exactly why the trade was bad. "Solid major leaguers" can be acquired every offseason for a few million bucks. Hart could have signed KJ this offseason to provide whatever the 3B/2B rookie he just traded for would give the team. In fact, he did so when he signed Callaspo.

Studs win games, so I would much rather have 1 potential stud in the system than 4 potential solid guys. Freeman, JUp and Heyward are studs, and this team is not going to ever sign one as a FA, so they need to produce them internally.

Fact of the matter is Hart overplayed his hand and ended up taking whatever spare parts the Padres were willing to give them. The Padres GM somehow landed Kemp, Myers and JUp (3 studs) without giving up any of their top 3 prospects. All he gave up were spare parts that can be replaced at the drop of a hat any year. He did an outstanding job this offseason.

These players will NOT make the Braves contenders in 2017, and they certainly won't make the team competitive this year. Hart has neither retooled or rebuilt the team...he has regressed it.

The team's potential in 2017 definitely 100% did not regress if we couldn't keep Upton.

 

[Enscheff]

It's something you clearly don't agree with but MANY people consider Fried to eventually be that stud you're referring to.

The man is currently recovering from TJS. When he pops his elbow again during his 6 years of MLB control we will be looking at another non-tender candidate just like Venters, Medlen and Beachy.

Hart may have gotten value for JUp, but it isn't the type of value that is going to make the team a legitimate contender.

 

[thethe]

The man is currently recovering from TJS. When he pops his elbow again during his 6 years of MLB control we will be looking at another non-tender candidate just like Venters, Medlen and Beachy.

Hart may have gotten value for JUp, but it isn't the type of value that is going to make the team a legitimate contender.

You know who also had Tommy John surgery? Alex Wood. Lets not put this as a death knell on a very promising power lefty arm.

 

[Enscheff]

Instead of spouting off unsubstantiated garbage provide something that has facts in it. We have no clue what kind of offers Hart did or did not have at any point. This is exactly the kind of unintelligent, garbage post that is dragging this board down.

I don't think it's much of a logical leap to understand that the return for JUp was probably much lower now that all the potential JUp suitors moved on to other targets.

Which scenario do you think is most likely?...

1. The Padres plan all along was to acquire Myers, Kemp and JUp, thus forcing Myers to CF, or

2. The Padres wanted to acquire 2 corner bats, but when Hart asked for too much for JUp they got Myers and Kemp instead. When Hart came crawling back willing to accept amuch lesser package, the Padres went ahead and took the shot at acquiring another potent bat.

 

[Enscheff]

You know who also had Tommy John surgery? Alex Wood. Lets not put this as a death knell on a very promising power lefty arm.

Right, but the Braves didn't trade away a premier trade chip to acquire Wood. And it's pretty likely that Wood will pop an elbow again within the next few years.

The problem is that once it's their second pop they don't come back, so why trade for a guy that already had a TJS before he even started contributing at the MLB level?

 

[Heyward]

Right, but the Braves didn't trade away a premier trade chip to acquire Wood. And it's pretty likely that Wood will pop an elbow again within the next few years.

The problem is that once it's their second pop they don't come back, so why trade for a guy that already had a TJS before he even started contributing at the MLB level?

So what do you do, keep Justin and watch him walk for nothing?

 

[thethe]

Right, but the Braves didn't trade away a premier trade chip to acquire Wood. And it's pretty likely that Wood will pop an elbow again within the next few years.

The problem is that once it's their second pop they don't come back, so why trade for a guy that already had a TJS before he even started contributing at the MLB level?

Because in all likelihood whoever you acquire will need one within the first three years in your organization. Lets see how good the doctors are getting at the procedure.

 

[Heyward]

Right, but the Braves didn't trade away a premier trade chip to acquire Wood. And it's pretty likely that Wood will pop an elbow again within the next few years.

The problem is that once it's their second pop they don't come back, so why trade for a guy that already had a TJS before he even started contributing at the MLB level?

Matt Harvey and Jose Fernandez both had TJ, i reckon both of them are screwed too, right?

 

[Enscheff]

So what do you do, keep Justin and watch him walk for nothing?

No, you trade him right after Tomas signed when the number of suitors was at its peak rather than being an idiot and insisting he be packaged with CJ or BJ and watching all the interested teams move on to guys like Cruz, Cespedes, Rios, Ruggiano, etc.

And you certainly don't trade him for 3 mediocre players and 1 injured player. What use are 3 mediocre players? To make a mediocre team? Why trade for a young KJ when you can just sign him any offseason you need him for a few bucks?