yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Plus, Rasmus is on a QO. It's not like he got 150 mil. Not really a comparison.
Cepsedes has peaks that Heyward can't dream of in wRC+.
Heyward's highest was his rookie year. since he's been between 96 and 121.
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Plus, Rasmus is on a QO. It's not like he got 150 mil. Not really a comparison.
Cepsedes has peaks that Heyward can't dream of in wRC+.
Heyward's highest was his rookie year. since he's been between 96 and 121.
He's also an elite defender. That's worth something.
WHich makes sense being that he's a better hitter and a better fielder.
Cespedes career high is 136. Heywards is 134. And Cespedes is in the middle/toward the end of his peak. Heyward is about 1-2 years from his reaching his peak.
dak
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I'm getting more optimistic that the Braves will trade Markakis and keep Inciarte. Inciarte is the more valuable asset, and it's just not the right time to trade him given his slow start at the plate. Seeing Nick's defense juxtaposed against Ender and Mallex has hopefully helped the FO to see that there's a pretty sizable gap there. It's clear that we'll take on 2016 money to better our position in 2017 and beyond. A deal where we send Markakis + 2016 cash to get an okay-ish prospect seems to make a lot of sense. Boy would it be a good time for Nick to catch some fire at the plate.
QO is basically market value. So Rasmus got 15 million for being a 104 WRC+ hitter. 23 million is not a lot of money these days on the open market.
And younger. All things that factor in.
bravos4evr
Still Playing the Waiting Game
that's because he is a lot younger than they are. Heyward avg'd 4.5 WAR over his last 4 seasons and entered free agency at age 26. that's fairly rare . To be honest i think he is underpaid.
A QO is absolutely not market value. Most guys that get a QO are worth a hell of a lot more than a 1 year deal. If they weren't they would never decline a QO and hit the open market.
This would support that Rasmus is worth more than that then. Either way, the team wouldn't have offered it to Rasmus if they thought he was worth less than the QO.
bravos4evr
Still Playing the Waiting Game
I reckon the present day QO will be changed in the new CBA and we will see some sort of hybrid system where teams make an offer and if it declined they receive a draft pick and the signing team doesn't lose one, they just drop a spot. or something similar, it hamstrung too many 2 WAR type of players who where worth a QO but not really worth signing AND losing a first rounder.
I may be off a bit in the details, but I expect some sort of change to the system that doesn't penalize the signing team nearly as much but still allows the team losing the free agent to receive draft compensation.
I may be off a bit in the details, but I expect some sort of change to the system that doesn't penalize the signing team nearly as much but still allows the team losing the free agent to receive draft compensation.
I think we will see a tiered system. Something like a tier 1 QO would be a 3 year deal and a tier 2 QO would be the current 1 year deal. Losing a tier 1 guy gets you 1st and 2nd round pick, while losing a tier 2 guy gets you a late 2nd round pick.
I think you're right about the draft pick loss going away. All that does is hurt the FA's market value, and I bet the MLBPA will want that salary reducer to go away.
bravos4evr
Still Playing the Waiting Game
The tiered thing sounds good to me. you combine that with losing a spot (if you picked 20th, you now pick 21st for signing a QO offered player) and the losing team gets a compensation rd pick would work. there are other things that could be done like keeping the system the same but increasing the # of protected picks to the top 20 so only the playoff caliber teams from the prior season must cough up a pick to sign a big free agent.
Yes I mis-remembered. I believe it's essentially the avg salary of the top so many players.
A bit off-topic, but how good a target would Rasmus be for the Giants right now? Could play RF while Pence is down, and then slide over to CF or LF if/when he gets back late. For the time being, they could sandwich Belt and Rasmus around Posey without losing too much production (especially considering the other currently available options) and then could go Posey/Belt/Pence/Rasmus for a playoff run.
Not saying I'd just "give him away" if I were the Astros, but I definitely wouldn't hang up if they called given Houston's OF depth.
And it's not just the salary, it's the length of the contract...1 year. Very few impact FAs aren't worth at least a 3 year deal.
Oh, I don't know, may be one who hits more than 20 homers per year, OPSes more than an .800 OPS per year, better than a .350 wOBA per year, etc. We currently have one of those players and are actually paying him less than Heyward.
bravos4evr
Still Playing the Waiting Game
Adam Dunn did that, but his defense made him worth very little relatively. Defense matters, and Heyward is well worth $23m a year
13th best offensive player.... in the NL.... by one standard And yet somehow this is what we call "elite."
The market is what is. I'm not gonna argue his monetary worth. But a mid market team with very little offense already can nay afford to invest a quarter of their payroll into a player who isn't a premiere offensive player.
Adam Dunn also struck out a ton and hit for a very low average on a yearly basis, along with being one of the worst fielder's in the league. A guy like Joey Bats is better contrast to Heyward (not good defensively, but elite offensively) and ignoring age, I'd much rather have Joey Bats than Jason Heyward.