Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

57Brave said:
It is funny all of this conversation not being in The Trump Presidency thread but Russian Collusion thread.

Telling, because the article posted has to do with palace intrigue.

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3h3 hours ago

Trump didn't literally commit treason. But there's evidence he was involved in a criminal conspiracy with a foreign government to disseminate stolen information in exchange for lifting sanctions. Maybe they thought they wouldn't win, but they were sure set up if they did.
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What evidence?
 
Hawk said:
Evidence A: General Flynn texting at the inauguration
Evidence B: Paul Manafort looks like an extra from Goodfellas
Evidence C: Roy Moore
Evidence D: Germany (all of it)
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Comical - Its crazy that so much of the public believes there is actually evidence of collusion but don't want to hear any of the facts on the HRC investigation and Fusion GPS.
 
Bannon's comments do highlight something that isn't much appreciated. Which is that the matter of "collusion" during the campaign is a distant third in terms of the biggest threats to the Trump presidency.

The two much bigger threats have to do with financial crimes that pre-date his run for the presidency and obstruction which occurred after he became president.

Not that I think a thorough investigation of Russian interference is not warranted. I think it is important to get to the bottom of it and hope Mueller will be allowed to finish his work.
 
The Trump Presidency aside, Russian Collusion undermined / interfered our collective right to a vote. With the aid of an official presidential campaign

Which big picture is more far more important and long lasting than a trump presidency.

Now, can we please get back to how corrupt the Obama Presidency is ? I mean was
 
sturg33 said:
4 years ago, the black liberal president won re-election resoundingly.

4 years later, votes swayed very far away from those policies which were very popular two consecutive elections.

When we get someone lile Trump, perhaps the left should look in the mirror when assigning blame and identifying the problem
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57Brave said:
The Trump Presidency aside, Russian Collusion undermined / interfered our collective right to a vote. With the aid of an official presidential campaign

Which big picture is more far more important and long lasting than a trump presidency.

Now, can we please get back to how corrupt the Obama Presidency is ? I mean was
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Give me specifics of the interfering... what did they physically do to effect the the election?
 
I have a simple question. If you believe tampering with foreign nations elections is a heinous crime then should we not extradite US officials who participated in overthrowing foreign governments to face justice for their crimes? If election tampering is an act of war we are at war with half the world right now.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I have a simple question. If you believe tampering with foreign nations elections is a heinous crime then should we not extradite US officials who participated in overthrowing foreign governments to face justice for their crimes? If election tampering is an act of war we are at war with half the world right now.
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I can't speak for everyone in favor of a thorough investigation, but I don't regard what the Russians did as an act of war. But I do think it is in the public interest to have a thorough investigation.
 
bravesnumberone said:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/a...white-house-1071504?__twitter_impression=true
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Some great stuff in there including this paragraph:

There was some effort to ascribe to Trump magical powers. In an early conversation — half comic, half desperate — Bannon tried to explain him as having a particular kind of Jungian brilliance. Trump, obviously without having read Jung, somehow had access to the collective unconscious of the other half of the country, and, too, a gift for inventing archetypes: Little Marco … Low-Energy Jeb … the Failing New York Times. Everybody in the West Wing tried, with some panic, to explain him, and, sheepishly, their own reason for being here. He's intuitive, he gets it, he has a mind-meld with his base. But there was palpable relief, of an Emperor's New Clothes sort, when longtime Trump staffer Sam Nunberg — fired by Trump during the campaign but credited with knowing him better than anyone else — came back into the fold and said, widely, "He's just a ****ing fool."
 
And, indeed, suddenly there were the 11 days of Anthony Scaramucci.

Scaramucci, a minor figure in the New York financial world, and quite a ridiculous one, had overnight become Jared and Ivanka's solution to all of the White House's management and messaging problems. After all, explained the couple, he was good on television and he was from New York — he knew their world. In effect, the couple had hired Scaramucci — as preposterous a hire in West Wing annals as any — to replace Priebus and Bannon and take over running the White House.

There was, after the abrupt Scaramucci meltdown, hardly any effort inside the West Wing to disguise the sense of ludicrousness and anger felt by every member of the senior staff toward Trump's family and Trump himself. It became almost a kind of competition to demystify Trump. For Rex Tillerson, he was a moron. For Gary Cohn, he was dumb as ****. For H.R. McMaster, he was a hopeless idiot. For Steve Bannon, he had lost his mind.

Most succinctly, no one expected him to survive Mueller. Whatever the substance of the Russia "collusion," Trump, in the estimation of his senior staff, did not have the discipline to navigate a tough investigation, nor the credibility to attract the caliber of lawyers he would need to help him. (At least nine major law firms had turned down an invitation to represent the president.)
 
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