Official CBA Negotiation Thread

There is some wiggle room with this seemingly "all or nothing" hard date...

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022...ng-session-more-talks-planned-for-monday.html

"Most recently, the expanded playoffs also factored into the February 28th deadline, as the union has said that they won’t agree to a larger postseason field whatsoever if the owners withhold pay due to canceled regular-season games."

The season seemed hopeless past this date because missed regular season games meant no expanded playoffs, resulting in negotiations exploding altogether. So we could see some regular season games canceled, but the owners agree to retroactively pay players for those missed games. That would allow the players to agree to expanded playoffs, and we only loss 1-2 weeks of the season.
 
Can we at least get a much shorter Spring Training? After 3-4 weeks its kind of irrelevant. Give the teams expanded rosters for the first month as they ween pitchers back into their innings load.
 
thethe said:
Can we at least get a much shorter Spring Training? After 3-4 weeks its kind of irrelevant. Give the teams expanded rosters for the first month as they ween pitchers back into their innings load.
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I like this idea. There should be expanded rosters in the first and final month of the season.
 
Following everything on Twitter, and talks have not progressed like I thought they would. They're not even close and it's getting quite contentious.

What an absolute disaster.

This sport is toast.
 
Owners can take more of a loss than most of the players. When those mortgage payments start adding up those guys not making millions will be hurting. It’s ugly on the sport when millionaires and billionaires want more and more.
 
Hudson2 said:
Owners can take more of a loss than most of the players. When those mortgage payments start adding up those guys not making millions will be hurting. It’s ugly on the sport when millionaires and billionaires want more and more.
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Well, if you look at it from the owner's perspective, baseball has been slowly falling behind the other sports in terms not TV deals and growth.

This next CBA is gonna navigate through baseball's decline. We don't know how the game will be 5-6 years from now.

There was a time MLB players made the most money out of any US sport. NBA players surpassed that.

Now granted, a lot of MLB's decline is self inflicted gunshots like allowing Manfred to continue being Commissioner.
 
Yeah Manfred needs to go. Baseball should try harder to grow the sport not slow it down with stuff like this. Both parties are to blame.
 
The Chosen One said:
Well, if you look at it from the owner's perspective, baseball has been slowly falling behind the other sports in terms not TV deals and growth.

This next CBA is gonna navigate through baseball's decline. We don't know how the game will be 5-6 years from now.

There was a time MLB players made the most money out of any US sport. NBA players surpassed that.

Now granted, a lot of MLB's decline is self inflicted gunshots like allowing Manfred to continue being Commissioner.
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The problem with the players citing things like that is they don't bother to factor in the fact that there are a *elluva lot more players on MLB rosters than there are on NBA payrolls. 780 MLB players vs. 450 NBA guys is a substantial amount of salary to pay - even if those extra baseball guys were making the current league minimum, we're talking about more than $188 million in salaries per year.
 
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The problem with the players citing things like that is they don't bother to factor in the fact that there are a *elluva lot more players on MLB rosters than there are on NBA payrolls. 780 MLB players vs. 450 NBA guys is a substantial amount of salary to pay - even if those extra baseball guys were making the current league minimum, we're talking about more than $188 million in salaries per year.
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NBA plays fewer games, smaller arenas, very few overall players from outside USA, no info on TV contracts. MLB around 3/4 century longer than NBA, but without expounding I dont get your point.
 
The only thing that matters is percentage of revenue funneled to players.

In the NFL it's 48%.

In the NBA it's ~50%.

In the MLB...we don't know, but MLB annual revenue increased by over $1 billion from 2015 to 2019, and median player compensation dropped. Owners have accomplished this by spending less on older FAs in favor of playing younger and cheaper players. So the players have a very real gripe with owners pocketing more and more of the revenue.
 
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Enscheff said:
The only thing that matters is percentage of revenue funneled to players.

In the NFL it's 48%.

In the NBA it's ~50%.

In the MLB...we don't know, but MLB annual revenue increased by over $1 billion from 2015 to 2019, and median player compensation dropped. Owners have accomplished this by spending less on older FAs in favor of playing younger and cheaper players. So the players have a very real gripe with owners pocketing more and more of the revenue.
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The median alone doesn’t tell you that. I’d venture to say that the distribution of salaries has changed tremendously and that the 1% is a lot richer proportionally than the 99%
 
so at what time does Rob and his goons tell us it's delayed or that they are close enough they will try to finish tomorrow?

or you know, they just stop the lockout, play a full season while working out a new cba and play under the old one while doing that?
 
goldfly said:
so at what time does Rob and his goons tell us it's delayed or that they are close enough they will try to finish tomorrow?

or you know, they just stop the lockout, play a full season while working out a new cba and play under the old one while doing that?
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The players will strike before playing on anything other than the CBA they’re bargaining for.
 
Does seem there's a little momentum going. 7th meeting of the day, if a deal happens it's probably Tuesday if at all.
 
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