Legal/scotus thread

msstate7 said:
Abortion pills only have 1 purpose though, right?

ETA... I really don't know if I'm in favor or disagreement with this governor. I'm just trying to figure out the reasoning.
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As I understand it, they can kill a zygote. And they can also cause a fetus to abort as late as the second trimester.

Those strike me as two different purposes.

Is it too much to ask our state legislators to make it illegal for one purpose and not another?
 
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This is why the left is out of control. They know the country doesn't want Roe as the law of the land and they are going to get crushed across the country as the legislators enact much more conservative abortion laws.
 
thethe said:
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This is why the left is out of control. They know the country doesn't want Roe as the law of the land and they are going to get crushed across the country as the legislators enact much more conservative abortion laws.
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I don’t think that these polls are as damning to Democrats as Miller thinks they are. 56% percent of respondents in the first poll think it should not be up to the states to legislate abortion and 50% of respondents in the second poll approve of abortion up to *at least* 15 weeks.
 
mqt said:
I don’t think that these polls are as damning to Democrats as Miller thinks they are. 56% percent of respondents in the first poll think it should not be up to the states to legislate abortion and 50% of respondents in the second poll approve of abortion up to *at least* 15 weeks.
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Whether its the states or federal legislators it should be up to the people of the country to write these laws. Thats the bottom line.
 
thethe said:
Whether its the states or federal legislators it should be up to the people of the country to write these laws. Thats the bottom line.
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Sure, it’s just that his two polls show a much more positive reception toward abortion than he seems to think they do.
 
mqt said:
Sure, it’s just that his two polls show a much more positive reception toward abortion than he seems to think they do.
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Sure abortion that is barely outside the first trimester which is what most of us have said for a long time now.
 
Miller is obviously misstating what that poll says. Thinking that legislatures should write standards is not the same as thinking those standards should be free of constitutional limits or even that Roe specifically was wrong (since under Roe every state was still setting its own standards). That same presentation he's screenshotting has this slide:

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Not surprising from him.
 
Had an interesting thought recently. US law allows treatments for infertility (a medical condition) to be excluded from health insurance coverage and without state regulation they are almost always excluded. You don't hear any politicians come out in firey support of requiring coverage for infertility.

However, the Dobbs case happened and politician after politician lined up saying we need to support and protect the reproductive choices of women. You have millions of women who are denied a reproductive choice by a treatable medical condition and crickets.

It seems we have support for destroying what Roe called potential life but we have so little support for trying to enable its creation. I find that indescribably sad.
 
striker42 said:
Had an interesting thought recently. US law allows treatments for infertility (a medical condition) to be excluded from health insurance coverage and without state regulation they are almost always excluded. You don't hear any politicians come out in firey support of requiring coverage for infertility.

However, the Dobbs case happened and politician after politician lined up saying we need to support and protect the reproductive choices of women. You have millions of women who are denied a reproductive choice by a treatable medical condition and crickets.

It seems we have support for destroying what Roe called potential life but we have so little support for trying to enable its creation. I find that indescribably sad.
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That would only be a relevant comparison if people were talking about restricting the use of fertility treatments. They’re quite expensive in some cases and the issue is paying for them.
 
Coredor said:
That would only be a relevant comparison if people were talking about restricting the use of fertility treatments. They’re quite expensive in some cases and the issue is paying for them.
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My ultimate point is that I don't think these politicians actually care about reproductive health or reproductive choices. If they did then they'd probably be fighting the outdated idea that fertility treatments are elective. These people only care about abortion as a culture war issue.

To be fair, many abortion opponents have the same problem. They claim all life is sacred and that there is no greater miracle than the creation of life but when it comes to actually pushing to have fertility treatments considered the same as treatments of any other health condition, there are again crickets.

I don't think you can support women's reproductive health and choices or support the miracle of life and then be against insurance covering the treatment of infertility as a medical condition.
 
Michael J. Stern
@MichaelJStern1
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Jul 3
So many of the "pro-lifers" who are celebrating the abortion decision

are the ones who were willing to sacrifice grandma last year so they could

have dinner at The Olive Garden in the middle of a raging pandemic.
 
Chris Murphy
@ChrisMurphyCT
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Jul 1
The GOP agenda - criminalize abortion, ban gun control,

deregulate business, and pollute more - is super unpopular.

So Republicans stopped trying to enact it in law and instead

nominated politicians to the bench to get their agenda

enacted by the unelected, unaccountable branch.
 
thethe said:
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This is why the left is out of control. They know the country doesn't want Roe as the law of the land and they are going to get crushed across the country as the legislators enact much more conservative abortion laws.
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Yeah that's not what the poll said.

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striker42 said:
My ultimate point is that I don't think these politicians actually care about reproductive health or reproductive choices. If they did then they'd probably be fighting the outdated idea that fertility treatments are elective. These people only care about abortion as a culture war issue.

To be fair, many abortion opponents have the same problem. They claim all life is sacred and that there is no greater miracle than the creation of life but when it comes to actually pushing to have fertility treatments considered the same as treatments of any other health condition, there are again crickets.

I don't think you can support women's reproductive health and choices or support the miracle of life and then be against insurance covering the treatment of infertility as a medical condition.
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I support diverting funds used for gender affirming care and abortion to pay for IVF and mental health care.
 
How much federal money is spent on " gender affirming care and abortion" ?

Further what is the legislative count and thirdly, is this a proposal on the table?

Take your time
 
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