REAL FOOTBALL Thread

[zitothebrave]

My only worry for niners is always a QB that can run. Hurts scares me. Ultimately though, the niners just have too loaded of a roster not to win. There is no weak spot on the roster.

Niners defense is amazing. Niners offense is very good, their special teams is mid.

Bills are still my bet. Top 5 in offense, defense and special teams. Niners and Eagles are pretty similar. Niners defense is as good as the eagles offense and special teams are about as good. Who wins the NFC depends on who has the best games.

 

[Carp]

My only worry for niners is always a QB that can run. Hurts scares me. Ultimately though, the niners just have too loaded of a roster not to win. There is no weak spot on the roster.

You really think Purdy gonna take you to the promised land? No rookie QB has ever won the SB. San Fran is very talented, but I have doubts. I also am waiting for the eventual McCaffrey injury. You know it's coming.

 

[thethe]

You really think Purdy gonna take you to the promised land? No rookie QB has ever won the SB. San Fran is very talented, but I have doubts. I also am waiting for the eventual McCaffrey injury. You know it's coming.

No question injuries are the number 1 factor in any team winning the SB. Impossible to disagree with this.

 

[thethe]

Niners defense is amazing. Niners offense is very good, their special teams is mid.

Bills are still my bet. Top 5 in offense, defense and special teams. Niners and Eagles are pretty similar. Niners defense is as good as the eagles offense and special teams are about as good. Who wins the NFC depends on who has the best games.

I dont think any team in the NFC can deal with the niners physicality. Since Armstead has come back you basically can't score on the defense.

 

[striker42]

After seeing Drake London for most of a year now, I still hate the pick. He's 100% a possession receiver and is almost a non-factor deep. He's slow and lacks anything resembling a burst. There are times he looks like he's moving in slow motion.

What he does well is run his routes and is great at catching what is near him. He's also big and can fight for YAC. That makes him great at short to intermediate routes but I hate drafting a WR top 10 who can't stretch the field at all.

Honestly, he's essentially a TE.

Looking at this Falcons roster, they're in trouble. There's no QB (Ridder is a backup at best), there's no franchise OT, and there's no pass rusher. I know they're about to free up some cap space but even so, it can take years to fill those positions. The three most important positions on the field and the Falcons are 0 for 3.

But thank God their last two top 10 picks netted them a good TE and a possession receiver.

 

[zitothebrave]

I was fine with Pitts, still am. Would we be better with Parsons? Perhaps. Would we be better with Fields? **** no.

2022 class sucked. London isn't who I'd pick, but I don't think it would have mattered that much. ANd I would have been fuming if we took Kenny Pickett. The right move was to move back but I don't know who that would have been with. NO traded up, and that's about it.

2023 will be a big year. Hope we do things right. If there's a Franchise QB to be grabbed, grab them, if there's a franchise OT or DE grab them. It's a much stronger class than last year.

 

[striker42]

I was fine with Pitts, still am. Would we be better with Parsons? Perhaps. Would we be better with Fields? **** no.

2022 class sucked. London isn't who I'd pick, but I don't think it would have mattered that much. ANd I would have been fuming if we took Kenny Pickett. The right move was to move back but I don't know who that would have been with. NO traded up, and that's about it.

2023 will be a big year. Hope we do things right. If there's a Franchise QB to be grabbed, grab them, if there's a franchise OT or DE grab them. It's a much stronger class than last year.

I'd rather they have taken Charles Cross if they couldn't trade back. He's got a chance to be a franchise left tackle.

There was no QB to take last year. You're right about that.

Taking London a year after Pitts was just baffling. If they'd drafted a deep threat I'd understand but there's nothing London does that Pitts doesn't do better.

London has all the markings of the kind of receiver who catches 12 passes in a game for 110 yards total.

 

[zitothebrave]

Maybe Cross is worth it. I mean I don't have any strong opinions. I didn't like the London Pick, but it is what it is. I don't think Cross is gonna be much either. Maybe I'm wrong. I think the right move was trade down but I think it's clear a trade down wasn't happening.

 

[striker42]

Maybe Cross is worth it. I mean I don't have any strong opinions. I didn't like the London Pick, but it is what it is. I don't think Cross is gonna be much either. Maybe I'm wrong. I think the right move was trade down but I think it's clear a trade down wasn't happening.

I'm not sold on Cross either. The only thing I would have liked last year is a trade back but I agree that it probably wasn't happening. Still, if we had to pick I'd rather they tried to fix one of the lines rather than draft London. There wasn't a clear BPA, just a lot of flawed options. So I'd have gone with the one with the chance to improve the team the most.

And if the front office was 100% sold on going with a WR, there were several burners in the draft who would have been actual deep threats. You already have Pitts to fill the role of the massive, impossible to cover chain mover. What we needed was someone to stretch the field. Garrett Wilson would have been a much better pick. Dude ran a 4.38 40 and is a legit deep threat. London refused to run a 40 time knowing it would tank his draft stock and instead told teams it would be around 4.50. That means it would probably have been 4.6-4.7.

I just have zero faith in either Arthur Smith or Fontenot.

 

[zitothebrave]

I mean I have not much faith either. most of the moves they've made have been bad. First off getting into the Deshaun Watson race. The weird Ridley trade.

But if they keep sucking they'll get fired faster and maybe we can get a more competent GM.

 

[zitothebrave]

Whoever is running SNF's twitter is a clown

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After barely beating the Eagles in Dallas with Gardner Minshew starting, no one should be afraid of Dallas. They can beat anyone, but they're also capable of losing to anyone. Look at their last 3 games, barely beat the eagles without Hurts, lost to the Jaguars, barely beat the Texans. Both their wins were at home, they'll be playing basically the entire playoffs on the road, where they have a 3-3 record. Mind you to get the division from the Eagles they need to win both their games where they're on the road vs. Tenn nad Washington, both winnable especially with Tennessee's massive slide as of late.
But they'd need the Ealges to lose at home to both the Saints and Giants, both games they should win, even without hurts.

 

[Carp]

Whoever is running SNF's twitter is a clown

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After barely beating the Eagles in Dallas with Gardner Minshew starting, no one should be afraid of Dallas. They can beat anyone, but they're also capable of losing to anyone. Look at their last 3 games, barely beat the eagles without Hurts, lost to the Jaguars, barely beat the Texans. Both their wins were at home, they'll be playing basically the entire playoffs on the road, where they have a 3-3 record. Mind you to get the division from the Eagles they need to win both their games where they're on the road vs. Tenn nad Washington, both winnable especially with Tennessee's massive slide as of late.
But they'd need the Ealges to lose at home to both the Saints and Giants, both games they should win, even without hurts.

And yet Philly beat Dallas by only 9 in Philly, and they had Cooper Rush starting. Minshew is a way better back up than Rush.

Dallas has a better defense than Philly and they are more healthy. Philly losing Johnson is a huge blow.

 

[zitothebrave]

And yet Philly beat Dallas by only 9 in Philly, and they had Cooper Rush starting. Minshew is a way better back up than Rush.

Dallas has a better defense than Philly and they are more healthy. Philly losing Johnson is a huge blow.

Losing Johnson is a huge blow. But Dallas hasn't been playing well. The facts are the facts.

I mean reality is that Dallas is at best the 3rd best team in the NFC. Behind Eagles and Niners. You could argue in the horseshoe of luck that are the Vikings but Vikings will be the easiest team to beat in the NFC IMO. Even easier than the Bucs. THe teams you don't want in the playoffs righ tnow are Seattle, Detroit or Green Bay. Giants and COmmanders are mid teams, who got lucky earlier in the season and teams like Detroit, Seattle and Green Bay are playing well. Best case scenario for the best teams in the NFC are for Panthers to win the south (easiest matchup for cowboys) and for the Commanders and Giants to hold on. Worst case scenario is Lions, Packers, and Bucs clinch those last 3 spots.

 

[zitothebrave]

Here's where I'm at with Atlanta. I want them to draft Myles Murphy, spend the rest of the draft suring up defense, maybe an OL. Sign Jimmy G to a contract that's basically health driven. If he has haelth issues still then cut him, if he's healthy he's one of the better QBs in the NFL

Falcons ahve weapons and cap space, they could sign someone like Orlando Brown, Mike McGlinchey, etc. and add 2 impact FA and draft some players.

 

[striker42]

Here's where I'm at with Atlanta. I want them to draft Myles Murphy, spend the rest of the draft suring up defense, maybe an OL. Sign Jimmy G to a contract that's basically health driven. If he has haelth issues still then cut him, if he's healthy he's one of the better QBs in the NFL

Falcons ahve weapons and cap space, they could sign someone like Orlando Brown, Mike McGlinchey, etc. and add 2 impact FA and draft some players.

The big question right now is what is Desmond Ridder. There are things to like but there are also question marks. Next two games might tell us a lot. If Ridder isnt it and one of the top QBs is on the board, it will have to tempt the falcons.

 

[NinersSBChamps]

The big question right now is what is Desmond Ridder. There are things to like but there are also question marks. Next two games might tell us a lot. If Ridder isnt it and one of the top QBs is on the board, it will have to tempt the falcons.

Ridder has played, what two games? You need a to allow him to mature and get better before just pulling the plug on him.

 

[zitothebrave]

Ridder has played, what two games? You need a to allow him to mature and get better before just pulling the plug on him.

He's ahd all year to learn the playbook and should be showing some kind of sign by now.

To be fair I think he hasn't look that bad yet. But we need to see some forward progress.

 

[zitothebrave]

ALso can we talk about the wild ride that is Jared Goff?

In 2017 and 2018 Goff was a great QB, he was looking like the next top QB, then 2019 he took a big step back, and 2020 and 2021 slid further. Going from approaching a top 5 QB to the bottom 3rd.

This year he's somewhere between 2nd and 6th depending on where you look.

 

[striker42]

Ridder has played, what two games? You need a to allow him to mature and get better before just pulling the plug on him.

The Falcons might not have that luxury. If there's a QB they like when they pick they'll have a choice to make. If they stick with Ridder and he ends up never amounting to anything, the staff could be in trouble. I agree that it's not ideal to have to evaluate a QB on 4 games but that's where we're at. One of Arthur Smith's biggest mistakes this year was sticking with Mariota so long. He needed to be using this season to see what he had in Ridder and try to develop him. But Smith hasn't shown himself to be the brightest bulb in the box to this point.

I actually like a lot of what I've seen from Ridder. He's shown some nice arm strength and his athleticism is pretty obvious. Problem is the coaching staff has been super conservative with what they've asked from him so it has really been difficult to get a gauge on how good he really is.

Of course this could all be moot. If Stroud and Young are off the board before the Falcons pick (much more likely after the meaningless win yesterday) and guys like Levis don't really reach that elite tier of QB prospect, the Falcons could very well have the decision made for them and Ridder be their starting QB next year. But if Stroud or Young are on the board, it means the Falcons will have to make a call on what they think Ridder will be.

 

[zitothebrave]

I personally think Levis has a higher probable ceiling than Stroud or Young. Stroud is an OSU QB. Young has all the talent but I don't know for sure if the falcons can utitlize his skills. Honestly Houston or Seattle is agreat place.

Levis has a lot of room to grow, but consider what QBs in the NFL and where they went to school. Let's look at all the top QBs. So we'll do top 10 QBs using DYAR the last 4 years.

Mahomes - Texas Tech
Goff - Cal
Tua - Bama
Brady - Michigan
Allen - Wyoming
Burrow - LSU
Lawrence - Clemson
Jimmy G - Eastern Illinois
Geno - West Virginia
Hurts - Bama/Oklahoma
Rodgers - Cal
Dak - Ms. State
Herbert - Oregon
Stafford -Ga
Cousins - Michigan State
Carr - Fresno State
Kyler - A&M
Watson - Clemson
Tannehill - A&M
Ryan - Boston
Brees - Purdue
Lamar - Louisville
WIlson - NC State

What's my point? THat being a great college QB doesn't always translate to NFL success. Second is that There's minimal repeats of schools. Minimal repeating of conferences, etc. THere are no clear cut trends, only major one is that most QBs are between 6'2 and 6'5. Sure there's exceptions some taller, some shorter. But not that many. LEvis fits the mould of an NFL QB, he's big and strong.

Bryce's size concerns me, especially his weight, right now his listed weight is 190, which is tiny. Vick for example weighed in at 210, Russ was about 205. Kyler was 207. If Bryce is really 190 I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. He'll bulk up (wilson now weighs 215 for example) and he could be fine, but that's super light to be taking a lot of hits. Which if he's a scrambler he will take.

Levis mind you is being coached by NFL vets so he has that going for him too.

TO me I get why people like Stroud, he looks the part and is talented, but I just don't believe in OSU QBs. Problem is Atlanta's win means we probably don't even get Levis. Right now Houston, Seattle, Indy, and Oakland all could use a QB and pick higher than us. I don't think Seattle takes a QB, Houston almost certainly is taking a QB. Indy almost certainly is taking a QB. Raiders are likely taking a QB. So now we're looking at all 3 likely being gone, which means that isnt' for us. Unfortunately, also means we're probably otu on most of the top DE talents too.