2016 DRAFT Signing Tracker ... FINAL, JULY 15

There are make up issues with Groome, so even if he is in the draft next year, there are pitchers that I would take over him. Mainly Hunter Greene at this point.
 
I think if you game out the scenarios, you see there really is not any leverage for Nosolony.

If the Braves sign him for more than the 10,500 they lose a draft pick.
They lose a draft pick if he doesn't sign.

The only advantage to overpaying him is that the Braves might have a cost savings.

On the other hand, look at Nosolony. If he doesn't sign, he cannot return to college. His other options in professional baseball are not likely to pay as much and will certainly be less likely to result in his being a successful pro.

If he decides to walk away from baseball, he could either do so with nothing in his pocket or he could take money from the braves to sign and retire.

So out of sheer cussedness, he has next to know incentive not to sign and basically no leverage. the big thing the braves risk is lost if they give in to his demands anyway.

Am i missing anything here?
 
The problem, according to major-league sources, was that the Braves got ahead of themselves, thinking they had money to spare while discussing the possibility of voiding the contract of another pick.

That pick received one of the team's highest signing bonuses, but had a pre-existing medical condition that he did not disclose to team officials, sources said. The Braves did not initially realize that if they voided the contract, the money still would count against their bonus pool, because the player already was signed. Thus, they could not go ahead and sign Anthony, too.
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That was from Rosenthal regarding Anthony.

I'm very curious who the injured draft pick is. Considering it's one of our higher paid, pre-signed players I would assume its either Cumberland or Wilson.
 
chop2chip said:
That was from Rosenthal regarding Anthony.

I'm very curious who the injured draft pick is. Considering it's one of our higher paid, pre-signed players I would assume its either Cumberland or Wilson.
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The plot thickens. I wonder who the pick with the medical issue is.
 
The Nelsony situation is weird... It seems neither side has ANY leverage... which gives both sides extreme leverage.

The prospect of Nelsony not signing is a terrible one for both sides. Just a weird situation.

It still seems like Nelsony has the leverage though... because whether he doesn't sign at all or signs for more than $10K, then the Braves are screwed... so the question is would be the Braves be willing to sign him for more because not doing so wouldn't make a difference
 
sturg33 said:
The Nelsony situation is weird... It seems neither side has ANY leverage... which gives both sides extreme leverage.

The prospect of Nelsony not signing is a terrible one for both sides. Just a weird situation.

It still seems like Nelsony has the leverage though... because whether he doesn't sign at all or signs for more than $10K, then the Braves are screwed... so the question is would be the Braves be willing to sign him for more because not doing so wouldn't make a difference
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But how would it be to Neslony's advantage to screw the Braves? Most college baseball programs don't give full scholarships, so I imagine the $10,000 would come in handy for Neslony to pay down loans or buy a better car.
 
sturg33 said:
The Nelsony situation is weird... It seems neither side has ANY leverage... which gives both sides extreme leverage.

The prospect of Nelsony not signing is a terrible one for both sides. Just a weird situation.

It still seems like Nelsony has the leverage though... because whether he doesn't sign at all or signs for more than $10K, then the Braves are screwed... so the question is would be the Braves be willing to sign him for more because not doing so wouldn't make a difference
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The fact that we haven't heard anything, means that there is probably nothing to hear. Again, 10K signings don't make news. I am more intrigued by the newbie that is hurt and didn't say he was hurt. And why is dude signing a contract prior to a physical results... maybe the condition is something that doesn't show on physical?
 
I haven't made a peep about the Anthony thing, because it just didn't sound like there was anything in it. Too bad for the kid—who was quite gracious about it—and for the team, but the kind of thing that can happen under the circumstances, with so many moving parts.

If Rosenthal is right and it happened because we didn't know the rules? That's different. That's ****ing stupid, and embarrassing. That's being, frankly, bad at your job. There's no excuse not to know the rules. It is like—although with more import—the Bonifacio callup flub from earlier in the season. Not the Braves Way.
 
sturg33 said:
The Nelsony situation is weird... It seems neither side has ANY leverage... which gives both sides extreme leverage.

The prospect of Nelsony not signing is a terrible one for both sides. Just a weird situation.

It still seems like Nelsony has the leverage though... because whether he doesn't sign at all or signs for more than $10K, then the Braves are screwed... so the question is would be the Braves be willing to sign him for more because not doing so wouldn't make a difference
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The braves aren't much more screwed if he doesn't sign then they would be if he did sign for more than they can offer. they lose the pick either way.

Basically on the other side, he would be forfeiting his most realistic chance of being a professional baseball player.
 
Julio3000 said:
I haven't made a peep about the Anthony thing, because it just didn't sound like there was anything in it. Too bad for the kid—who was quite gracious about it—and for the team, but the kind of thing that can happen under the circumstances, with so many moving parts.

If Rosenthal is right and it happened because we didn't know the rules? That's different. That's ****ing stupid, and embarrassing. That's being, frankly, bad at your job. There's no excuse not to know the rules. It is like—although with more import—the Bonifacio callup flub from earlier in the season. Not the Braves Way.
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It is an egg on the face moment, but you are making a little more out of it than it really is maybe.

They had an unusual situation and didn't immediately know the rule. I think that suggests they need to tighten up the legal department and perhaps have a little more centralized control of message.

But it is a lot of talk about something that wasn't actually a big deal. People get so excited about slight disappointments for young adults.

Dude thought he was going to Auburn, then he thought he might be a Brave, now he's going to Auburn because he won't sign for slot. Life hasn't really been ruined.
 
chop2chip said:
That was from Rosenthal regarding Anthony.

I'm very curious who the injured draft pick is. Considering it's one of our higher paid, pre-signed players I would assume its either Cumberland or Wilson.
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It's unacceptable for the Braves not to know this rule going into the situation, but that's also a really dumb rule. If something is severe enough to warrant a team voiding a contract, it's hopelessly dumb that it should still count against the bonus pool.
 
mqt said:
It's unacceptable for the Braves not to know this rule going into the situation, but that's also a really dumb rule. If something is severe enough to warrant a team voiding a contract, it's hopelessly dumb that it should still count against the bonus pool.
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This reveals yet another problem area - not only did we not know the rule, apparently our doctors weren't thorough enough to catch something serious enough to consider not signing someone in a supposedly thorough physical.
 
Southcack77 said:
It is an egg on the face moment, but you are making a little more out of it than it really is maybe.

They had an unusual situation and didn't immediately know the rule. I think that suggests they need to tighten up the legal department and perhaps have a little more centralized control of message.

But it is a lot of talk about something that wasn't actually a big deal. People get so excited about slight disappointments for young adults.

Dude thought he was going to Auburn, then he thought he might be a Brave, now he's going to Auburn because he won't sign for slot. Life hasn't really been ruined.
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Anthony's going to be fine. It's not about him, or about failing to sign a pick.

It is, frankly, inexcusable not to know the rules. It's akin to a player forgetting how many outs there are during a playoff game.

We know we're not the prettiest girl at the dance, but wouldn't you think we should know the steps?
 
clvclv said:
This reveals yet another problem area - not only did we not know the rule, apparently our doctors weren't thorough enough to catch something serious enough to consider not signing someone in a supposedly thorough physical.
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I don't think the team doctors had anything to do with this. It sounds as though the player in question did not reveal the medical issue to the Braves. I could be wrong, but that's how I read it.
 
Julio3000 said:
Anthony's going to be fine. It's not about him, or about failing to sign a pick.

It is, frankly, inexcusable not to know the rules. It's akin to a player forgetting how many outs there are during a playoff game.

We know we're not the prettiest girl at the dance, but wouldn't you think we should know the steps?
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I mean sure, hire some more lawyers and avoid this in the future. But again, it is a minor thing that happened.

It's hard to know exactly what happened. Whether an offer was extended, or whether the scouting director said an offer would be extended, whether the scouting director was going on his own or jumped the gun. Needs to be tightened up because it is a little embarrassing, but no harm done.

A lot of focus on the draft mechanics this year. It has been interesting.
 
50PoundHead said:
I don't think the team doctors had anything to do with this. It sounds as though the player in question did not reveal the medical issue to the Braves. I could be wrong, but that's how I read it.
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Baseball players don't do predraft physicals like they do in basketball and football. For most of them, they are playing in a summer league or in college during the predraft process. If they have any medical looks, it definitely isn't to the level of the NFL combine where you are poked, prodded, and MRIed to death.
 
sturg33 said:
It still seems like Nelsony has the leverage though... because whether he doesn't sign at all or signs for more than $10K, then the Braves are screwed... so the question is would be the Braves be willing to sign him for more because not doing so wouldn't make a difference
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That's not leverage. If the Braves could go up to $50,000 without a penalty and were offering only $10,000 then Neslony would absolutely have all the leverage...to get the Braves to $50,000. It would be far better for the Braves to sign him at 50K than to not sign him at all.

As you said, it makes no difference whether they sign him for 20K or nothing. Either way the Braves are screwed if they have to pay him more than 10K. That means he has no leverage to get them over 10K.
 
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