Morton, Fried, Wright, and Strider. Our 4 best starters.
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Morton, Fried, Wright, and Strider. Our 4 best starters.
msstate7
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2023 was what I was thinking of. 2022 was certainly set up right
We had Strider X 2, Fried, and Elder.
Strider not being elite and the offense shitting the best lost us that series. Not the lack of SP depth.
msstate7
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So we had 2 starters. Thanks
Hudson2
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After last year and the way the offense performed I'll agree that the depth should have been better especially with Acuna set to miss the first couple of months but Profar getting busted for PED couldn't be forseen either. If Harris would have played to expectations and Profar wouldn't have been out then we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation bc we wouldn't have seen White and the others for so long. AA was definitely handcuffed on spending this offseason for the most part.
Hudson2
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The 23 playoffs was 100% on the offense and it's not even debatable so you can't put that one to bed.
msstate7
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This is just dumb. I don't excuse stupid moves by snit when they happen to just work out by blind luck and I won't for AA either. AA and snit's job is to put the braves in the best position to succeed, and having AAAA guys starting playoff games isn't that.
msstate7
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3 contested games. Who started for the braves in the blow out?
We had 2 of top 5 starters in the league and they started 3 games.
So you think the best regular season offense of all time scoring 1 run total in games 1 and 4 is fine?
And the point your missing is that guys like Wilson and Elder are fine for SP depth. Those are the types of guys you are literally asking for right now when bitching about our lack of depth in the rotation. The problem is when your rotation is full of those players because everyone is hurt. No team is going to cover for SS, AJSS, Sale, and Lopez being on the 60 day IL.
I think you will find most teams run into pitching injuries every year. Hell that's part of the reason we won in 2021. Both the Dodgers and Astros were without some of their top pitchers, or their top pitchers were fighting through injuries.
We typically have had the pitching depth to withstand an injury or two. But this year AA really shit the bed. We went into the the season with serious pitching depth issues. Strider was coming off an injury and we started the season with Holmes and Elder/AJSS as our primary 4 and 5. And of course we didn't replace anyone in the pen that left via FA. Other than Waldrep, we had no high level prospects that we could turn to in case a pitcher was going to miss extended time. And the relief depth was atrocious.
Not surprisingly, guys got hurt. Certainly you can't plan on 4/5 of your opening day rotation going on the IL for an extended period of time. But with better depth, we certainly would have been a lot closer to .500 right now with the ability to acquire a decent starter to help us tread water until Sale, Schwelly, and/or Lopez were ready to return.
We typically have had the pitching depth to withstand an injury or two. But this year AA really shit the bed. We went into the the season with serious pitching depth issues. Strider was coming off an injury and we started the season with Holmes and Elder/AJSS as our primary 4 and 5. And of course we didn't replace anyone in the pen that left via FA. Other than Waldrep, we had no high level prospects that we could turn to in case a pitcher was going to miss extended time. And the relief depth was atrocious.
Not surprisingly, guys got hurt. Certainly you can't plan on 4/5 of your opening day rotation going on the IL for an extended period of time. But with better depth, we certainly would have been a lot closer to .500 right now with the ability to acquire a decent starter to help us tread water until Sale, Schwelly, and/or Lopez were ready to return.
Elder was a good pitcher in 2022. It may have been smoke and mirrors, but he was most definitely an above average pitcher. Still, I think everyone mentioned we should have grabbed a more reliable starter at the deadline for the stretch run.
msstate7
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50PoundHead
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They have had some exceptions with Harris (at least until this year) and Baldwin, but they haven't had widespread success developing hitters in the draft. Jury is out on Alvarez and he's young. Langeliers got traded and is doing alright as is Durbin (who developed in the Yankees' system). And don't anyone say Grissom. I'm relatively sure they thought guys like Conley would at least be a utility guy, but he hasn't hit at all (which is odd seeing that his hit tool is what got him drafted as high as he did). I would just as soon see if Waddell could contribute. He's not an everyday SS, but he's a LHH. They just haven't had quality depth in the high minors for what seems like forever.
I don't think most people were calling for a starter last year. Everyone was relatively healthy and Strider was effectively replaced by Schwelly. Entering the deadline, we had Fried, Sale, Lopez, and Schwelly relatively healthy and pitching well. And Morton was more than an adequate No. 5. What we were asking for was a big bat to replace Acuna or a SS to replace Arcia. We never got it.
Hudson2
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You're right it is dumb. Dumb that you keep crying 24/7 about the exact same thing. It's like somebody but a broken record on repeat. The offense shit the bed in 23 and that's just a proven fact. It wasn't the pitchings fault.
No. We clearly had pitching issues in 23. Clearly having the 2 best starters in the NL (fip) start 3 of the 4 games wasn't good enough.