8/13/18 DH GAME THREAD vs MARLINS

Gamecast has now claimed he has thrown four seamer, Cutter, Slider, Curve, Splitter, and now this inning some 94 mph Sinkers.
 
Enscheff said:
"Off the charts" hyperbole aside, he looks to have a 55+ FA, 60+ CU, and a CH/FS that looks to flash at least 50.

Pair that arsenal with 45 command and we are looking at a #3/#4 right now. Tweak that command up to 50 and it's a legit #3. If the command gets to 60 before the stuff starts declining he is a legit #2 with arguments about being an Ace.
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Yeah, the 'off the charts' was definitely hyperbole. But if you're just talking pure stuff on the fastball/curve/splitter (since the command grade is separate), that seems like those grades at least could be a bit low. The fastball could be a 60, the curve could be 65-70, the splitter could be a 55, and suddenly it's a totally different profile. The likelihood of all 3 of those grading out at those levels aren't high, but even a couple of them being a tick better than you list makes a huge difference.
 
Bad lineup aside, I have a lot more confidence watching Touki than I do Allard and to a lesser extent Fried.

Just the eye taste but he does look good to me
 
smootness said:
Yeah, the 'off the charts' was definitely hyperbole. But if you're just talking pure stuff on the fastball/curve/splitter (since the command grade is separate), that seems like those grades at least could be a bit low. The fastball could be a 60, the curve could be 65-70, the splitter could be a 55, and suddenly it's a totally different profile. The likelihood of all 3 of those grading out at those levels aren't high, but even a couple of them being a tick better than you list makes a huge difference.
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This is just my eye test based on watching video on my phone and the TV radar gun.

Looking forward to seeing actual data.
 
Some of his pitches might be getting mistaken. He is a 4-seamer/curve/changeup/cutter pitcher, I believe. First 3 I'm for sure on. Those 3 are all very good now, the cutter needs a bit more work.

Has the raw stuff to succeed, just might still have some command issues.
 
I actually don't think the Swanson trade was all bad for Dave Stewart. I mean he might have been able to get more value out of those guys than he got, but a fourth OF, a #1 pick they had already soured on and a back end rotation prospect wasn't so much to give up for what they I guess thought was a #3 starter. They rightly thought they were pretty close to winning it.

But trading Touki for cash and Phil Gosselin is an all time head scratcher for me. Glad Coppy was there to make both of those trades. No one else was.
 
Southcack77 said:
I actually don't think the Swanson trade was all bad for Dave Stewart. I mean he might have been able to get more value out of those guys than he got, but a fourth OF, a #1 pick they had already soured on and a back end rotation prospect wasn't so much to give up for what they I guess thought was a #3 starter. They rightly thought they were pretty close to winning it.

But trading Touki for cash and Phil Gosselin is an all time head scratcher for me. Glad Coppy was there to make both of those trades. No one else was.
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The 2 part trade for Trevor Cahill that netted us AJ Minter was a good one as well.
 
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